Reconciliation plan

"MasterSeedy;c-1987252" wrote:
I agree it seems less likely to me, but I don't have any data on exactly how likely it is, so it seemed weird to laugh off someone else's opinion as implausible.

I mean, yeah, I **think** it was unintentional, but I've got no more evidence than the person who thinks it was. Some epistemic humility is called for in such situations.

but implying malicious intent on the devs part is somehow a-okay?

Well, first, I was arguing for something more complicated than that: when multiple people are involved, the intent doesn't have to be "malicious" for it to be an "intentional" bait & switch.

Malicious != Intentional.

So I never read the original comment as saying that CG was being malicious.

But yes, even if someone were to imply malice, there's a difference between saying, "I think there was malice" and "I know that there wasn't malice".

The difference is the difference between asserting an opinion and asserting a fact. DarkHelmet simply said that it wasn't proven that it was a mistake:

There's no proof it was a screw up.

If you want that to be laughable, you have to have proof it WAS a "screw up". Do you have that proof? If not, then DarkHelmet's statement is simply true and it's weird to criticize DarkHelmet for making it.

If this happened and CG was a more user friendly community driven gaming company, this fix wouldn't go down well but people would be more understanding.

As it is this issue comes on the heels of several controversial game updates that appear to be money grabs more than community driven game expansion. It should be no surprise to anyone that this isn't going to go over well by a large number of players. This is just more fuel for those already getting burned out by questionable design decisions to move over to other games.

In this case they are being penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Crumb said it is a software bug

TopHat said it was an unintentional consequence. The people that investigated the issue are calling it a screw up should be proof enough

"MasterSeedy;c-1987266" wrote:
Well, first, I was arguing for something more complicated than that: when multiple people are involved, the intent doesn't have to be "malicious" for it to be an "intentional" bait & switch.

Malicious != Intentional.

So I never read the original comment as saying that CG was being malicious.

But yes, even if someone were to imply malice, there's a difference between saying, "I think there was malice" and "I know that there wasn't malice".

The difference is the difference between asserting an opinion and asserting a fact. DarkHelmet simply said that it wasn't proven that it was a mistake:

There's no proof it was a screw up.

If you want that to be laughable, you have to have proof it WAS a "screw up". Do you have that proof? If not, then DarkHelmet's statement is simply true and it's weird to criticize DarkHelmet for making it.

I'm laughing at what he's implying, not at his statement that there's no proof. I agree that there's no proof beyond statements made by ea/cg, that's not the laughable par.

"Ultra;c-1987228" wrote:

"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1987164" wrote:

"Ultra;c-1987155" wrote:

"Intrapidoo;c-1987151" wrote:

"TVF;c-1986777" wrote:
I love people that get so mad when we don't agree with them that they have no choice but to say we are CG plants. It's truly breathtaking.

Thing is, you guys try to defend cg so bad it got to point that your actions went so far in defending them, that every single youtube content creator has made multiple videos about how bad the team is which you defend. So maybe just maybe you need to detach your lips from erik's back side and get real for the 1st time.

You cant just brute force your flaud logic on every single screw up.

>community hates CG for being greedy
>community loves game changers for clickbaiting, spreading false information, and causing players of the community to quit for views and money

Content creators aren't gospel

The problem is that you’re really not validating people’s valid frustrations. Many (not all) People spend money on swgoh then have buyers remorse and feel absolutely horrible for spending money. It would be better if they spent money and felt good about their purchase.

Content creators are an echo chamber of the decisions that CG makes. For instance CG has cut off all communication to Game Changers since Carrie has left. Then CG makes their dozen stupid decisions... what do you expect content creators to do? Ignore the low hanging fruit? Media gets more views with negative content as opposed to positive content. That’s just a fact of life. And since you defend CG’s greed it seems like you would equally defend Game changers making money as well.

Content creators have themselves to blame for the game changer program ending

MobileGamer making videos that drop rates are rigged while we have statistical evidence, and developer confirmation that they are not

Warrior threatening to CapitalGames with manipulating his audience to hate them and be negative to the company if they don't listen to his childish demands (yes he said that)

Bulldog was lying about his side of the his story while telling his patreons in private that the actual story and how he was at fault and when they leaked that conversation he admitted he still isn't good at manipulating PR -- I'm not sure you remember but within 24 hours everyone went from loving Bulldog to hating Bulldog during the cheating scandal

Content creators have gone on record time and time again, that they are aware that they can manipulate and influence their viewers and have done so. They also know when they are purposely crossing the line, sometimes they would tell others in GC program that this might cause a problem to other GC / its not ok but the content creator in question didn't care

Their lack of professionalism ended the GC program

I like Ahnald, I like CG and, I form my own opinion with the information I have in front of me, and criticize them accordingly

Fake News

@leef

Okay, then all this was just my misunderstanding. I apologize.

This may have been covered elsewhere, but my frustration is with the discrepancy. In the past makegoods have been even. I've only been playing a few years, but this is the first time (to my knowledge) they've been this blatant about favoring the big spenders. Why not just give the crystals and shard currency to all? Those without 7* malak were arguably inconvenience more than anyone else, why do they get less?

Me, I was excited to get Malak finally after grinding my way to the requirements. I'm cool with others having him much sooner based on spending money or having played longer, that's only fair. All good. But to only get 250 crystals for the frustration and letdown of spending months to make it to this moment only to have the rug yanked from under me is really frustrating.

"MasterSeedy;c-1987289" wrote:
@leef

Okay, then all this was just my misunderstanding. I apologize.

No need to apologize, haha. It's all good.

@Ultra

Crumb said it is a software bug
TopHat said it was an unintentional consequence.

The people that investigated the issue are calling it a screw up should be proof enough

...and corporations have never been known to make up an excuse when facing a PR disaster. Uh huh.

They can say that if they want. It's still not proof.

I actually (tentatively) accept it in the sense that I do think that's the more likely explanation, but it's weird that you think "someone said something" = "proof"

I don't much care how we got here. I care that we got here at all and I also care what they do going forward.

If someone repeatedly pokes me with a sharp stick, eventually I'm going to move. If they announce that they're doing it on purpose, i will probably move along sooner since I don't need more evidence that the poking will continue. But if they don't tell me out loud, "Hey, I'm gong to keep poking you," then I'm just going to move on after a certain number of pokes, regardless whether it's because of poor quality control of their anti-poking procedures or whether they secretly were intending it all along. I can't look inside their brains, so I just get poked a certain number of times and then walk away.

Im not going to waste my time analyzing the corporate decision making process or quality control deficiencies of CG. I'm just going to count the pokes and walk away when it gets too much. I don't know when that day will come, but I can tell you that the last couple pokes have really got my attention.