Requesting Fives refund

Bottom line is, CG reworked Fives and as such, his abilities work differently to the point where it is a significant change. They should've just made his taunting ability level 1 again and said, "it's all refunded, do it again if you want!" and been done with it.

The fact they do it sometimes and not others when they change a character is at the least, problematic.

I didn't omega the ability at first because I didn't have the resources to build him to spare. After his rework I didn't add it because of his zeta ability. Why would I want him to taunt and die? I want another clone to die...

"Whatelse73;c-2064059" wrote:
Bottom line is, CG reworked Fives and as such, his abilities work differently to the point where it is a significant change. They should've just made his taunting ability level 1 again and said, "it's all refunded, do it again if you want!" and been done with it.

The fact they do it sometimes and not others when they change a character is at the least, problematic.

I didn't omega the ability at first because I didn't have the resources to build him to spare. After his rework I didn't add it because of his zeta ability. Why would I want him to taunt and die? I want another clone to die...

I'm going to say this one more time but it's like bashing your head into a brick wall trying to explain it.

If you put the team on defense, when an opponent attacks that team your opponent is a human controlling their team and deciding who to attack. Anyone who is remotely competitive knows that you need to kill Fives first. So if I go in to fight your team, whether or not Fives has a taunt up I am going to attack and kill Fives first.

If you don't have the omega and he never has taunt, then the fight is going to be significantly easier for me because he has less defense and Echo is doing less damage to me.

If the argument is "the ability changed so much they should have refunded it" then fine, I agree with you. But if you are saying the omega is useless or bad, then you are wrong because the boosts it can provide are tremendous.

"SparkyBurns;c-2064068" wrote:

"Whatelse73;c-2064059" wrote:
Bottom line is, CG reworked Fives and as such, his abilities work differently to the point where it is a significant change. They should've just made his taunting ability level 1 again and said, "it's all refunded, do it again if you want!" and been done with it.

The fact they do it sometimes and not others when they change a character is at the least, problematic.

I didn't omega the ability at first because I didn't have the resources to build him to spare. After his rework I didn't add it because of his zeta ability. Why would I want him to taunt and die? I want another clone to die...

I'm going to say this one more time but it's like bashing your head into a brick wall trying to explain it.

If you put the team on defense, when an opponent attacks that team your opponent is a human controlling their team and deciding who to attack. Anyone who is remotely competitive knows that you need to kill Fives first. So if I go in to fight your team, whether or not Fives has a taunt up I am going to attack and kill Fives first.

If you don't have the omega and he never has taunt, then the fight is going to be significantly easier for me because he has less defense and Echo is doing less damage to me.

If the argument is "the ability changed so much they should have refunded it" then fine, I agree with you. But if you are saying the omega is useless or bad, then you are wrong because the boosts it can provide are tremendous.

I don't recall mentioning anything about clones being on defense, how a human would attack vs the AI, etc. I said, "The ability changed...." No need to bring other arguments into this one. I just want consistency from CG.

Please don't bash your head into a brick wall, that can be dangerous for some.

"Whatelse73;c-2064106" wrote:

"SparkyBurns;c-2064068" wrote:

"Whatelse73;c-2064059" wrote:
Bottom line is, CG reworked Fives and as such, his abilities work differently to the point where it is a significant change. They should've just made his taunting ability level 1 again and said, "it's all refunded, do it again if you want!" and been done with it.

The fact they do it sometimes and not others when they change a character is at the least, problematic.

I didn't omega the ability at first because I didn't have the resources to build him to spare. After his rework I didn't add it because of his zeta ability. Why would I want him to taunt and die? I want another clone to die...

I'm going to say this one more time but it's like bashing your head into a brick wall trying to explain it.

If you put the team on defense, when an opponent attacks that team your opponent is a human controlling their team and deciding who to attack. Anyone who is remotely competitive knows that you need to kill Fives first. So if I go in to fight your team, whether or not Fives has a taunt up I am going to attack and kill Fives first.

If you don't have the omega and he never has taunt, then the fight is going to be significantly easier for me because he has less defense and Echo is doing less damage to me.

If the argument is "the ability changed so much they should have refunded it" then fine, I agree with you. But if you are saying the omega is useless or bad, then you are wrong because the boosts it can provide are tremendous.

I don't recall mentioning anything about clones being on defense, how a human would attack vs the AI, etc. I said, "The ability changed...." No need to bring other arguments into this one. I just want consistency from CG.

Please don't bash your head into a brick wall, that can be dangerous for some.

cg always gave refunds for changed abilities?

ftr I am all for refunds of mats for changed abilities

not always which is funny. there were many significant changes in the past and no refunds, only on selected characters like Finn and maybe daka?

What cg needs to fix is fives not sacrificing himself in the sith raid. No matter if nihlus kills a clone with a basic, his drain, or annihilate, the clone that he is targeting dies not fives. It is nuts that they still haven't been able to fix this.

"yankeeh8er;c-2064267" wrote:
What cg needs to fix is fives not sacrificing himself in the sith raid. No matter if nihlus kills a clone with a basic, his drain, or annihilate, the clone that he is targeting dies not fives. It is nuts that they still haven't been able to fix this.

Are they a 501st clone? I have not heard of fives not sacrificing properly in HSTR, as it seems like many are running 50m plus teams based on 5s sacrificing.

Yeah, this one's odd. He's clearly meant to work in a 501st team under GS and you absolutely want the defensive bonus when he's taunting there as he will be targeted. Thankfully the AI hasn't been updated to target him exclusively yet regardless of the taunt so you get to decide how to deploy it when you're on offense.

WAI unlike the omega on echos basic

The problem with people pointing out that if you set him on D, the human knows to kill him first anyway is that the AI will use the taunt and force the human to attack him no matter what. It's just a bad omega and the OP is 100% correct. Nothing like adding omegas to make a toon worse :smile: