@CG_Tusken_Meathead While it's good to see CG isn't completely blind to the issues and concerns, other than the Kyrat rewards, nothing else was addressed in your post considering the other raids and their reward structure. The loss of Get 1 Get 2 tokens weren't addressedThe loss of credits weren't addressed.The loss of shards weren't addressedThe loss of overall gear income between the 4 raids wasn't addressed.The loss of Mod slicing mats weren't addressed.You did mention the Guild tokens but no real details on that either. Our progress has been significantly impacted in a negative way. Raising the rewards for the Kyrat dragon raid does not address any of those issues with the other raids. We are still getting a lot less than we did before the update rolled out.Hopefully all those will be addressed sooner than later, as resources come in very slow and go very fast!

The problem is wording. If you read their post, we aren’t getting additional rewards. They are just moving the rewards to earlier in the track. I’m not sure that there is actually any increase in rewards. But the positive note is that guilds getting less than 130 million box should be getting some better rewards. And that is a win. I will be anxiously awaiting the new structure to redo the math.

Could someone please take the rewards from simmed pit and calculate how many raid tokens it would cost to purchase all of them.Then could someone please do the same for simmed tank.Then could someone please do the same for hstr. And please show your work so we can see what assumptions are used. This would quantify how much we actually lost. I would do the math myself but I can only find one screenshot for each raid which is obviously not a sufficient sample size for solid calculations.Based on what I had in those screenshots the new hstr gives more than enough tokens to purchase everything from those three combined, but I keep reading that hstr is causing a reduction in rewards and am trying to figure out what I’m missing in my math.For reference I picked a random piece of gear that was available for both guild tokens and raid 1/2 tokens and used that as a basis for converting guild tokens to raid tokens.

"Ultra;c-2421397" wrote:one thing at a time, padawanIf we remain silent, nothing will get done. We need to be more vocal than before because we are still at a huge loss.

Response to Raid Economy Update | EA Forums

ShadowJediKnigh
2 years ago
Still FAR from what we we're getting before!

CPIT awarded 7 aeros to the top 40 players. It costs 400 MK3 tokens to earn 2 aeros. To equal what we earned before, someone would need to spend 1400 MK3 tokens for 7 aeros. That number is locked behind the 130M crate. And since only the top 92 guilds reached that benchmark, it's still a LONG way from what we were earning before.

Kyros still aren't available in the raid store.

And still no mention of credits, ship credits, guild tokens, GET1, or GET2.
scuba75
Seasoned Rookie
2 years ago
I am still waiting on the changes that will make this statement true @CG_Tusken_Meathead

While we will reduce the amount of locations where you can earn rewards, we’ve taken this into close consideration so that actively participating in a raid, regardless of difficulty, will earn rewards from the Personal track that equal and replace the old "simmed" rewards - ensuring that all Players retain access to those goods.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/261617/road-ahead-february-2023#latest
Uhdea
Seasoned Spectator
2 years ago
I guess this change is better than their first attempt which was laughable. However, why even have a personal track? Rewards for it are silly now…remove it and add something else or revert personal track back. Time to schedule another meeting of the minds over there.
Gawejn1000
2 years ago
Hahahahahahaha
So it seems that nerf is still there. Nothing really changed. Small amount of mk3 and we play krayt dragon not hstr...

But 4th may nerf is still there....

And so many players belived that they will get same stuff as before...
It is unbelivable how they treat players...
zackism1983
Seasoned Novice
2 years ago
Rewards sucked before, changing when you get crap rewards doesn’t make it not crap rewards.

CG F.

The new raid is garbage. Forced to play for crap.
redhatonmars
2 years ago
am i reading this chart right? it looks to me like they've removed around 4000 Mk 1 tokens from the personal rewards along with a significant number of Mk 2. Sure, they've frontloaded Mk 1 and 2 in the guild rewards but if they are removing large amounts from the personal track, we're not really much better off. I thought the point was to give us more since the rewards were lower than they should have been. To add 4k-ish to the guild crate and then remove 4k-ish from the personal rewards is not increasing the rewards. We are getting more Mk 2 and 3 earlier which is nice, but those Mk1 rewards aren't insignificant.
CaiaAquilea
2 years ago
The statement in the screenshot says it all. No real change. Lower guilds can now choose to do Krayt instead of HSR but effectively get the same reward as that raid (with much more effort from everyone).

Higher guilds see practically no change. Or worse - there is now no incentive to try that little bit harder to achieve a better personal score. The extra reward for someone who gets 4.25m compared to a guild mate who is stuck on 2.2m is... 100 Mk3. Why bother?
Ethimu
2 years ago
Why is there no 200m milestone? The jump from 130m to 265m is ridiculous.
redhatonmars
2 years ago
This is disappointing. I'd love it if they would post their math and value conversions to illustrate how they think these rewards are at least the same value as what we were getting before. Especially when everything I've seen shows pretty clearly that we are getting much less.
drathuk916
Rising Novice
2 years ago
My post got nuked attempt number 2

Good that it mostly removes the need to farm hstr because it offers more rewards than krayt for certain guilds than it did in v1.0.

But it still feels like a nerf even if it actually isn’t. I haven’t done the number crunch myself and yeah what rank you are using for hstr and cpit has made for a wide variety of answers. To me it doesn’t matter if it is or isn’t a nerf because it most certainly not a significant increase just like all past raids were.

My other issue with the rewards is that it brings back managing certain mats that mid and end game players had moved on from. I don’t want to manage my credits. I moved beyond that 4-5 years ago. I don’t want to farm 5 blue/purple slicing mats the passive influx was more than enough and I still have too many 5a or 6x mods to work on.

Most of all it’ll be harder now for guilds to make the jump from one crate to the next as the personal track just doesn’t offer enough rewards anymore.

I don’t know this raid just seems so disappointing that it’s hard for me to get excited about the 15-20 heroes I need to get to r8 so I can do my 10.4 million fair share of max rewards.

Finally we still don’t have any guidance on the new new raid cadence, whether success in this raid will be required to play the next one, and will the next one offer more rewards. I can’t get excited about gearing teams and I have no idea on my ROI. So I’m just left feeling disappointed.