Reva Mission

Too many guilds were getting a high amount of shards. They can't allow us to unlock something so quickly in TB, so they need to make it stupid difficult, or have an absurd amount of RNG involved, like the KAM mission.

Hence, you will be allowed 3 shards per TB for the next 3 years of ROTE TB and you'll like it!

Later today I'll be doing research on the viability of different team comps with different strategies at different levels of Operations filled.

Barbarossa on Discord has been doing some of this already and initial numbers are... interesting.

At 0 platoons filled, it's a nightmare hellscape with no victory possible. With 2 platoons filled on each of p2 and p3 planets that can affect the Reva mission it's ... highly unlikely. With 4 platoons the initial estimate was a 10% success rate, though we would probably increase that some as we refine modding and strategy. Only with all platoons filled on both days was the success rate similar to previous success rates.

Now that sounds bad! But... it's better than I thought? I didn't expect that Operations would make such a difference, TBH. If this initial testing holds up it will mean that the numbers will be down but not by much for 6-Op guilds, but everyone else will absolutely struggle.

And perhaps that's exactly what CG wants, but it's not in line with what they said about making the mission "a little harder". Again, it makes it a nightmare hellscape for guilds who aren't finishing platoons. But maybe CG thinks it just isn't that hard to fill the Ops missions on those 2 days? IDK.

in any case, I will be providing more info as I get it.

Thing is.... if the mission success only decrease slightly for guilds with all ops filled + perfect modding and strategy, CG haven't flat out lied.

They've just done their usual "true, from a certain point of view" communication where most players would read it quite differently from how it is to be understood.

Luckily for me I'm in a guild which shouldn't struggle much with getting all ops filled, but it will be highly detrimental to shard inflow if modding now needs to be perfect coupled with ideal strategy, since lots of players are frankly tired of sitting on streams every other week to do a mission that was previously very possible to do on your own when convenient for you.

The only surprising element here is that CG fixes this now, and not just right after next occurence of GI. I mean, despite their Trello card saying this was discovered internally, the missing tags have been talked about in the community since the launch of the mission.
5 bucks say they weren't aware of the missing GL tag for Kenobi either and will add that because it's been mentioned in these discussions, either now or in the near future.

If this mission requires full platoons to be successful along with precise mods, game play and streaming with your guild, players will walk away. Already went through that with Kam, not doing it again. It's perfect where it sets ups now. Need 5 characters at relic 7 as an entry point, not crazy modding and be smart with your specials to win without a full streaming effort.

"just all platoons" you say

Oh but we know how fast they fix bugs with character Special Missions. By the time CG fix Fives bug in KAM mission it was already irrelevant issue. So there isn't any cause for alarm >:)

...and again cg decided to hurt most of the players. This mobile game is getting more and more embarrassing

If this mission requires full platoons to be successful along with precise mods, game play and streaming with your guild, players will walk away. Already went through that with Kam, not doing it again. It's perfect where it sets ups now. Need 5 characters at relic 7 as an entry point, not crazy modding and be smart with your specials to win without a full streaming effort.

Hey, @WhatTheFoxSWGOH , good to see you!

We've done a bunch of testing and I've done a bunch of theorizing based on that testing. The results are here:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/261530/reva-new-info-next-steps#latest

In that testing we specifically avoided using 6/6 ops. We used 4-Ops for p2 and a mix of 2.& 4 Ops filled on p3. (Slightly more of the 2-Ops in p3 variant).

In that testing which included runs with my everyday Inq mods and also with mod sets crafted for the Reva mission we encountered a lot of runs that don't appear to be winnable, some runs that appear marginally winnable where quality of mods, turn order, and strategy make a difference, and some that appear easy as pie if you just know how to use your specials -- barely more difficult than the Reva mission was last time. This variation is just as you would expect. The real question is what % of missions fall into each of those categories?

My best guess (but still a guess) is that about 20% aren't winnable solely due to RNG or aren't winnable without expert streaming help due to that opening RNG, and another 15%-ish are winnable but tricky. These are runs that an average player would mostly lose, but someone who watched a bunch of video or watched guild mates stream should win at least 50% of the time, especially if they modded carefully.

That leaves about 65% of missions in a category where either they're easy with a small amount of knowledge (how to use opening specials + remembering to kill Scav ASAP) and careful modding, or they're easy with a small amount of knowledge and any mods you want to throw on.

As a result, I expect win rates between 40% for guilds that only a few platoons each day and don't make an effort to share Reva info and the upper 80s for guilds that go 6/6 on Ops missions and require streaming, etc.

Of course it remains to be see exactly what the win rates will be, but I'm guessing that for very reasonable effort (each person does a serious Reva-mission-only set of mods, but just once not updating each month, and the guild requires people to stream 2-3 times until they get the hang of it) the win rate should be at least 65% and probably higher, possibly as high as 80%.

Again, these are my own guesses, but they are based on some experiments and some time thinking with other folks at 50ShardsOfKAM. Taliana is going to be setting up another survey, of course, and we'll get better data over time b/c that's how she rolls, but I don't see this as KAM where win rates are under 30% without streaming. I think even people who don't care at all and don't remod and aren't in guilds that get more than 4 Ops in p2 and 2 in p4, it will be possible to either get a 50% win rate or get close to that after trying the mission a couple times.

But if you are interested in the best modding info and play strategy that we have available right now, do check out that other thread (which CG closed for some reason):

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/261530/reva-new-info-next-steps#latest

@Ultra

For whatever reason, no platoons affected KAM. Obviously an intentional decision, but I can't say anything about the why.

"WookieWookie;c-2404213" wrote:
@CG_Tusken_Meathead

So is CG just going to maintain silence about how the Might of the Empire Heroic toon bonus is only supposed to be active on Dark Side Battles (specifically only Jabba, Hondo, Dr A, Qi'ra, and Fulcrum are mentioned as having Back Alley Deals active in Mixed zones)? The AoE damage on every attack or ability because of the bugged Might of the Empire is soon going to put ~10 thermals on GI (required) and 2nd sister (who almost everyone took to R7 for this mission as she is the team's healer) once the Jawas have their Jawa tag. This Might of the Empire bug, if it persists, will absolutely further tank people's runs, while CG is choosing to only fix the bug that will most increase the failure rate.

Their choice of which bugs to fix and which to ignore is very sus. Can CG please either fix all the bugs (Might of the Empire, Gl tag missing from JMK, and ID bug on Jawa's), *and ideally lower the potency to reasonable levels where modding for tenacity might give us a shot of resisting these thermals* or fix no bugs, and just leave the mission alone since the top paying players of the game have already deeply invested gear and money into relics and mods for how this critical special mission has been for four runs?

No. As they have mentioned many times, they only care about bugs that help players. @CG_Tusken_Meathead points out almost weekly the lack of care for bugs that hurt us, especially in endgame content.