Revert at messed up time...

I can't believe it, I am so annoyed that I will not play this game again today!

Maybe I'm very bad at Maths, but doesn't this mean they had extra attempts in the beginning, over those of us who got the updates at midnight?

"Ravens1113;c-2114461" wrote:

"Sorathix666;c-2114327" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2114323" wrote:
Another day, another bad move by CG, and like clockwork the usual suspects blaming the players and not CG.
Bottom line is, again, poor communication on CG’s part. Perhaps a 24 notice would’ve been nice to say

“Hiya Holotable heroes, as noted before there is going to be a reversion of the hard node cap increases, as well as the daily challenge/fleet challenge increases on 5/28. This change will be taking effect mid day, around 3:30pm PST, so please plan your attempts accordingly!”

Took me a minute write that out, on my phone, off the top of my head. Shouldn’t be too hard to ask the community manager to communicate with the community, since it’s his...you know; job.

They communicated the day it would end. CG has a consistent update time (Cap increases are patched in/out via updates). Not knowing this information, which is readily available online, means the player did not put in the effort to learn it. Could they post their content update on the forums prior to the actual update? Sure. But becoming upset because you (in general not necessarily you Ravens1113) didn't put in the time to find the information? I can't seem to justify that.

Except that isn’t readily available. You’re telling me that players should be expected to figure out when they patched in the increases (hard nodes and the other cap increase on different days btw) and the associate that and see when previous node increases were started and ended? And also figure out if these increases differ with similar bonuses like double drops.
On the flip side, Crumb just posts the little blurb that I posted so nobody could have an excuse for not being in the know for an entire day if they were so hardcore into the game....
One takes a lot of searching, digging and assuming. The other takes a couple minutes and, as Kyno said, chain of approval. One is easier than the other....well in theory because who knows how ridiculous that chain of command is....something something sticky notes about a TB question from a Q&A

I never said that they were expected to figure it out. If you don't care to find the information and you're good to play the game on a whim, then that's your playstyle, which I can respect. But if you're going to complain online that they didn't feed the information to your mouth with a spoon, then that's just being ridiculous. As I explained to another player, if something like this upsets you, then you clearly have enough (financial, emotional, or whatever) investment in this game that you should probably be making an effort to learn these things to effectively manage your own experience within the game. The information is online and within game. You make the process out to be much more complicated than it actually is. The only thing that's required is paying attention. If you don't open the forums and read the update posts, or you immediately close all in-game notifications, then you probably got screwed. But that's not CG's fault. From my perspective, you have a lot more control over how you experience the game than CG does. But you seem to forfeit all of your power and expect CG to somehow to do a better job than you by tailoring the game to your expectations.

They declared an end date. CG has a specific time which they patch in updates. You as an invested/dedicated player can improve your experience within game by making yourself familiar with these things. That is all.

"UncleOnceler;c-2114476" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2114461" wrote:

"Sorathix666;c-2114327" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2114323" wrote:
Another day, another bad move by CG, and like clockwork the usual suspects blaming the players and not CG.
Bottom line is, again, poor communication on CG’s part. Perhaps a 24 notice would’ve been nice to say

“Hiya Holotable heroes, as noted before there is going to be a reversion of the hard node cap increases, as well as the daily challenge/fleet challenge increases on 5/28. This change will be taking effect mid day, around 3:30pm PST, so please plan your attempts accordingly!”

Took me a minute write that out, on my phone, off the top of my head. Shouldn’t be too hard to ask the community manager to communicate with the community, since it’s his...you know; job.

They communicated the day it would end. CG has a consistent update time (Cap increases are patched in/out via updates). Not knowing this information, which is readily available online, means the player did not put in the effort to learn it. Could they post their content update on the forums prior to the actual update? Sure. But becoming upset because you (in general not necessarily you Ravens1113) didn't put in the time to find the information? I can't seem to justify that.

Except that isn’t readily available. You’re telling me that players should be expected to figure out when they patched in the increases (hard nodes and the other cap increase on different days btw) and the associate that and see when previous node increases were started and ended? And also figure out if these increases differ with similar bonuses like double drops.
On the flip side, Crumb just posts the little blurb that I posted so nobody could have an excuse for not being in the know for an entire day if they were so hardcore into the game....
One takes a lot of searching, digging and assuming. The other takes a couple minutes and, as Kyno said, chain of approval. One is easier than the other....well in theory because who knows how ridiculous that chain of command is....something something sticky notes about a TB question from a Q&A

Look, there are people who after pages of explaing way CG messed up, will still argue it's fine, or it's your fault for not putting the pieces together. That's just people - some are that out of touch. They have no clue about thier effect and impact on others. They reinforce each other and think it's fine to just ignore people's concerns and complaints. IMO all you can do is get them out of your life as fast as possible.

The impact that I'm hoping to have on people is to help them realize that they have more control over this issue than they thought. Frustration is bred out of the feeling of being unable to do anything, that it's out of your power. I don't want people feeling frustrated. If you have become upset at this game, you should be putting in the effort to learn how you can avoid being upset in the future. You're not at the whims of CG as much as you might think.

"thecarterologist958;c-2114334" wrote:
You know something strange?
I didn't see posts like this
When this stuff began.

1. I believe I understand your point.
2. I appreciate the constraints you have set upon yourself through the haiku form.
3. When the extra challenge update went into effect, if players had already completed all challenges (or hard node farms), most of them were still able to access the additional "stuff" regardless of the update timing, unless they were offline or not awake from their end of day to start of day; while there are many positive posts on this forum, this post was started as a criticism about losing access to stuff versus gaining access to stuff.
4. I like the positive posts on here that offer solutions to help players understand update timing.
5. Only #3 answers your question from my perspective.

"Sorathix666;c-2114397" wrote:
My aim is not to defend CG, but to defend reason.

Reason called, and wishes me to let you know your relationship is not as close as you think it is and that you are invited to stop 'defending' her whenever you like.

"DavienBlackstar;c-2114625" wrote:

"Sorathix666;c-2114397" wrote:
My aim is not to defend CG, but to defend reason.

Reason called, and wishes me to let you know your relationship is not as close as you think it is and that you are invited to stop 'defending' her whenever you like.

Yes, because reason = shirking all responsibility and control and becoming upset because you weren't coddled. Research the Dunning-Kruger effect, you might find it useful.

"Ravens1113;c-2114786" wrote:

"Sorathix666;c-2114783" wrote:

"DavienBlackstar;c-2114625" wrote:

"Sorathix666;c-2114397" wrote:
My aim is not to defend CG, but to defend reason.

Reason called, and wishes me to let you know your relationship is not as close as you think it is and that you are invited to stop 'defending' her whenever you like.

Yes, because reason = shirking all responsibility and control and becoming upset because you weren't coddled. Research the Dunning-Kruger effect, you might find it useful.

So people are overestimating their own abilities or the abilities of the devs? I don’t get how a psychological bias has anything to do with this.

The devs have people specifically tasked and hired to communicate with us. It’s their JOB to communicate with us and a part of their JOB is being proactive in informing the community. They failed to do that....again. So no, this has nothing to do with people feeling superior beyond their own abilities. It’s an expectation of common business practice. But if you think otherwise, which clearly you do, then have at it. You’re in the minority.

I directed that last remark towards the person I responded to in particular (not the entirety of the playerbase impacted by the cap update), as they attempted to belittle my sense of reason. Given that you misunderstood my intention of my remark, I will not respond to your additional responses to my reference of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

They did communicate though... so how is it that they failed? Because they didn't spam your inbox with notifications? I'm done trying to help you at this point. If you want to keep complaining and feeling powerless while playing this game, then I can't stop you. The fact of the matter is, you have the ability to find the information if you choose, which can help reduce the amount of frustration you have. Your choice.

This has nothing to do with ones bias that they overestimate their ability to do something... This is the Devs stopping a bonus mid-day without a warning.
Starting a bonus without warning is a good surprise, yes some get less for it, but taking away a bonus without warning hurts the player base. Saying something ends on a day USUALLY means it ends at the end of a day or midnight PST/PSD which neither were correct.
That is the main problem...

"Sorathix666;c-2114783" wrote:

"DavienBlackstar;c-2114625" wrote:

"Sorathix666;c-2114397" wrote:
My aim is not to defend CG, but to defend reason.

Reason called, and wishes me to let you know your relationship is not as close as you think it is and that you are invited to stop 'defending' her whenever you like.

Yes, because reason = shirking all responsibility and control and becoming upset because you weren't coddled. Research the Dunning-Kruger effect, you might find it useful.

Reason = I pay to play a game, I expect communication in the game.

Do you really believe it's unreasonable to want a billion dollar company to send out a reminder, in game? I mean sure people are capable of finding the information but the majority of complaints I see about cg all boil down to lack of communication and trust. A simple fix for this issue is an inbox reminder "x ends today at whatever time."