The P2 gear improvements in the Nov 2022 RA are a step in the right direction. They're sure to help new/returning players, so thanks in advance for the upcoming changes.Tldr: Can CG consider the credit economy on new player mechanics?Suggestion: Perhaps a system that mimics the shard acceleration, where older characters (non-kyrotech ones) are cheaper to level up to 85 or require more training droids at the offset of less credits. It would allow players to experience more teams and even the new mod system, and relics/datacron expenses for those new teams.Issue: The current system is a bit overwhelming for anyone who wants to jump into the game to build teams from scratch. There's a large excess of training droids and a scarcity of credits at early-to-mid game.Math: SWGOH has 235 characters, not including ships. Each character takes 6,269,478 credits from level 1 to 85; not including 1,850,000 credits to go from 2-to-7 stars. That's 1,908,077,330 credits in total. If you earn about 50 million credits a month, which as a new player is a lot, that's 38 months or just over 3 years without even factoring other credit costs, like modding, leveling abilities, relic levels.Closing: There's quite an uphill climb for anyone starting out, just hoping that some older mechanics can be improved upon considering the new hurdles (such as relic 8+). If you made it this far, thanks!

I would like to add the sim tickets. I remember when I started there was a phase before I hit fleets, where I had to manually play battles for farming gear or shards because I did not have enough sim tickets.

Sim tickets stop being a problem the second you unlock fleets. It's fine.

"TVF;c-2393074" wrote:Sim tickets stop being a problem the second you unlock fleets. It's fine. I ran a second account, sim tickets made me nearly quit so many times before lvl 60.My wife started and it took lot of convincing her to keep going due to the sim tickets being such a pain before level 60.I'd be interested in knowing how many accounts are dropped before level 60, honestly just removing sim tickets would be a great move.

"Mohrg;c-2393077" wrote:"TVF;c-2393074" wrote:Sim tickets stop being a problem the second you unlock fleets. It's fine. I ran a second account, sim tickets made me nearly quit so many times before lvl 60.My wife started and it took lot of convincing her to keep going due to the sim tickets being such a pain before level 60.I'd be interested in knowing how many accounts are dropped before level 60, honestly just removing sim tickets would be a great move.I ran a second and then later a third. I never considered quitting over sim tickets.

I know this is almost cliché now but still: it is still a resource management game. What it means is that, at various points in the game, a player is supposed to face various resource bottlenecks. Managing the resources efficiently is actually part of the skills. Making it easier for new players to catch up is not the same thing as completely eliminating those bottlenecks.

Road Ahead Consideration: New Players & Credits

St4rlace
2 years ago
I would like to add the sim tickets. I remember when I started there was a phase before I hit fleets, where I had to manually play battles for farming gear or shards because I did not have enough sim tickets.
tvsfrink
2 years ago
Sim tickets stop being a problem the second you unlock fleets. It's fine.
Mohrg
Seasoned Novice
2 years ago
"TVF;c-2393074" wrote:
Sim tickets stop being a problem the second you unlock fleets. It's fine.

I ran a second account, sim tickets made me nearly quit so many times before lvl 60.
My wife started and it took lot of convincing her to keep going due to the sim tickets being such a pain before level 60.
I'd be interested in knowing how many accounts are dropped before level 60, honestly just removing sim tickets would be a great move.
tvsfrink
2 years ago
"Mohrg;c-2393077" wrote:
"TVF;c-2393074" wrote:
Sim tickets stop being a problem the second you unlock fleets. It's fine.

I ran a second account, sim tickets made me nearly quit so many times before lvl 60.
My wife started and it took lot of convincing her to keep going due to the sim tickets being such a pain before level 60.
I'd be interested in knowing how many accounts are dropped before level 60, honestly just removing sim tickets would be a great move.

I ran a second and then later a third. I never considered quitting over sim tickets.
M0st1yHarm1ess
New Spectator
2 years ago
I know this is almost cliché now but still: it is still a resource management game. What it means is that, at various points in the game, a player is supposed to face various resource bottlenecks. Managing the resources efficiently is actually part of the skills. Making it easier for new players to catch up is not the same thing as completely eliminating those bottlenecks.
infidel2k
2 years ago
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2393094" wrote:
I know this is almost cliché now but still: it is still a resource management game. What it means is that, at various points in the game, a player is supposed to face various resource bottlenecks. Managing the resources efficiently is actually part of the skills. Making it easier for new players to catch up is not the same thing as completely eliminating those bottlenecks.

Well I agree with the resource management theory. But I disagree that the sim ticket system in any way teaches this. It made sense at release, and it made sense at the launch of fleets. But the current state of the game it’s just a stumbling block for younger players that slows their progress. And considering all of the other bottlenecks in the game that actually do teach resource management, I’m not sure why removing this one is an issue. It actually seems to me like a no-brainer in encouraging new accounts and player base growth.
St4rlace
2 years ago
"TVF;c-2393074" wrote:
Sim tickets stop being a problem the second you unlock fleets. It's fine.

Sometimes I think you don't fully read what people write. I wrote before I hit fleets...
St4rlace
2 years ago
"nfidel2k;c-2393103" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2393094" wrote:
I know this is almost cliché now but still: it is still a resource management game. What it means is that, at various points in the game, a player is supposed to face various resource bottlenecks. Managing the resources efficiently is actually part of the skills. Making it easier for new players to catch up is not the same thing as completely eliminating those bottlenecks.

Well I agree with the resource management theory. But I disagree that the sim ticket system in any way teaches this. It made sense at release, and it made sense at the launch of fleets. But the current state of the game it’s just a stumbling block for younger players that slows their progress. And considering all of the other bottlenecks in the game that actually do teach resource management, I’m not sure why removing this one is an issue. It actually seems to me like a no-brainer in encouraging new accounts and player base growth.

Exactly. Considering CG themselves stated they want to help newer players progress faster, removing sim tickets or making sure new players get more before fleets are unlocked would be a good move. At this point of the game where we have R9 they are an unnecessary hurdle. Having to manually do the same battles over and over just for farming is definitely something that can throw off new players, especially when they don't know that it’s getting better.
M0st1yHarm1ess
New Spectator
2 years ago
"nfidel2k;c-2393103" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2393094" wrote:
I know this is almost cliché now but still: it is still a resource management game. What it means is that, at various points in the game, a player is supposed to face various resource bottlenecks. Managing the resources efficiently is actually part of the skills. Making it easier for new players to catch up is not the same thing as completely eliminating those bottlenecks.

Well I agree with the resource management theory. But I disagree that the sim ticket system in any way teaches this. It made sense at release, and it made sense at the launch of fleets. But the current state of the game it’s just a stumbling block for younger players that slows their progress. And considering all of the other bottlenecks in the game that actually do teach resource management, I’m not sure why removing this one is an issue. It actually seems to me like a no-brainer in encouraging new accounts and player base growth.

My comment was actually on the OP which was about the credit economy, but it would apply to sim tickets as well - even to a greater extent, coming to think of it. As someone else said above, you don't ever have a sim ticket issue any more after you unlock fleets at lvl 60. How long does it take for a player to get to lvl 60 these days? A month, two months? If someone can't manage to stick to the farming for two months, this game is probably not for them anyway.
Marec013
Seasoned Newcomer
2 years ago
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2393094" wrote:
I know this is almost cliché now but still: it is still a resource management game. What it means is that, at various points in the game, a player is supposed to face various resource bottlenecks. Managing the resources efficiently is actually part of the skills. Making it easier for new players to catch up is not the same thing as completely eliminating those bottlenecks.

Agree, this is a resource management game. It's important to not remove all prerequisites, even as new updates or resources, like R10 or GET3, are rolled out.

However, softening early requirements like pre-60 sim tickets (which is a great idea, @Lumiya ) and reducing legacy character credit cost helps new players get past some of those early walls that may initially drive them away.