Road Ahead

"Acymetric;c-2307724" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2307716" wrote:

"Acymetric;c-2307711" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2307643" wrote:

"StewartH;c-2307639" wrote:

Step 1 - Increase the Conquest grind to the point players are frustrated and hate it
Step 2 - Offer a paid way to relieve the frustration (Conquest Battle Pass)
Result - A player earns comparable rewards but NOW has to pay for them

If it happens this way then the model is clearly to create frustration and offer paid solutions to circumvent the frustration. There is obviously a much better method for this type of thing but the fact this is the chosen route should tell you everything you need to know.

From my understanding the BP offeres no changes to or additional feats.

I have never seen a BP that wasnt additional rewards to a system, not the only way to get them.

But a battle pass is basically a bunch of feats collected and organized into tiers for rewards, right?

Not from my understanding. My understanding is that it is a separate rewards path in addition to the current one we see.

I understand they are separate, and that the Battle Pass is not expected to impact conquest rewards box progression.

There *will* be new feats though (even if they aren't called feats), because how else do you progress through tiers of the BP?

It could give rewards for completing each of the five sectors. You might call that a feat, right.

"Acymetric;c-2307724" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2307716" wrote:

"Acymetric;c-2307711" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2307643" wrote:

"StewartH;c-2307639" wrote:

Step 1 - Increase the Conquest grind to the point players are frustrated and hate it
Step 2 - Offer a paid way to relieve the frustration (Conquest Battle Pass)
Result - A player earns comparable rewards but NOW has to pay for them

If it happens this way then the model is clearly to create frustration and offer paid solutions to circumvent the frustration. There is obviously a much better method for this type of thing but the fact this is the chosen route should tell you everything you need to know.

From my understanding the BP offeres no changes to or additional feats.

I have never seen a BP that wasnt additional rewards to a system, not the only way to get them.

But a battle pass is basically a bunch of feats collected and organized into tiers for rewards, right?

Not from my understanding. My understanding is that it is a separate rewards path in addition to the current one we see.

I understand they are separate, and that the Battle Pass is not expected to impact conquest rewards box progression.

There *will* be new feats though (even if they aren't called feats), because how else do you progress through tiers of the BP?

From pass type setups I have seen in other games, you hit a rewards point on the progression. You collect normal rewards and if you have an active BP you get additional rewards.

I dont think I have seen a system where you pay to have extra work, usually you are just paying to get extra rewards.

How about putting one conquest out without bugs before asking people to pay for it?

"Kyno;c-2307728" wrote:

"Acymetric;c-2307724" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2307716" wrote:

"Acymetric;c-2307711" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2307643" wrote:

"StewartH;c-2307639" wrote:

Step 1 - Increase the Conquest grind to the point players are frustrated and hate it
Step 2 - Offer a paid way to relieve the frustration (Conquest Battle Pass)
Result - A player earns comparable rewards but NOW has to pay for them

If it happens this way then the model is clearly to create frustration and offer paid solutions to circumvent the frustration. There is obviously a much better method for this type of thing but the fact this is the chosen route should tell you everything you need to know.

From my understanding the BP offeres no changes to or additional feats.

I have never seen a BP that wasnt additional rewards to a system, not the only way to get them.

But a battle pass is basically a bunch of feats collected and organized into tiers for rewards, right?

Not from my understanding. My understanding is that it is a separate rewards path in addition to the current one we see.

I understand they are separate, and that the Battle Pass is not expected to impact conquest rewards box progression.

There *will* be new feats though (even if they aren't called feats), because how else do you progress through tiers of the BP?

From pass type setups I have seen in other games, you hit a rewards point on the progression. You collect normal rewards and if you have an active BP you get additional rewards.

I dont think I have seen a system where you pay to have extra work, usually you are just paying to get extra rewards.

Aha, that makes sense, thanks!

BP seems to be made to put a larger carrot on the string of conquest with people that are fed up with it and not interested in bothering with it anymore than just a simple play through. Now they can sell a BP AND get people to waste crystals on the mode they've already run into the ground.

The more they add lately the more indifferent I get.

"Joebo720;c-2307742" wrote:
BP seems to be made to put a larger carrot on the string of conquest with people that are fed up with it and not interested in bothering with it anymore than just a simple play through. Now they can sell a BP AND get people to waste crystals on the mode they've already run into the ground.

Not really, because not everyone who is "fed up" is going to $$. They are making changes to Conquest, which are more likely to address some of the feelings, I hope.

So are they waiting to release the road ahead until Friday because it's bad news and you only post bad news on Fridays?

"mesa176750;c-2307761" wrote:
So are they waiting to release the road ahead until Friday because it's bad news and you only post bad news on Fridays?

Not sure we are going to get it this week, no matter how much I want it.

Or maybe they are rewriting it just to please your debbie downer attitude. It remains to be seen.

"Ravens1113;c-2307769" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2307763" wrote:

"mesa176750;c-2307761" wrote:
So are they waiting to release the road ahead until Friday because it's bad news and you only post bad news on Fridays?

Not sure we are going to get it this week, no matter how much I want it.

Or maybe they are rewriting it just to please your debbie downer attitude. It remains to be seen.

So they recorded it last Friday. And maybe won’t release it until next week…that is absolutely ridiculous. I’m sorry but considering how we have to wait for the gear economy change details with this as well, perhaps a little hustle and bustle would be nice.

their attention on the "devs vs the community" on tuesday might be the hold up which is of course VERY IMPORTANT.