Royal Guard needs a slight adjustment

"Galdin_Wan;377060" wrote:

"Hedgehog;377049" wrote:

"Galdin_Wan;377036" wrote:

"scuba;377009" wrote:
Ability block does not stop any other unique ability so why should it stop RG unique?

Other peoples' unique skills are passive skills, not an active skill for everyone else that uses it turned into a passive skill.

5's can't counter when he's stunned. Why? Because shooting someone is an active skill.

Counter essentially activates your basic attack, and basic attacks can't be used while stunned. Passive abilities are their own unique ability - again, you'd be ok with stun stopping the passives of Kylo Ren, Barriss, Sidious, Daka, etc. from activating?

Again, taunt is an active ability for everyone else, they/player has to activate it. Passives are abilities that just happen naturally, no one ever has to active them, they happen on their own.

They took an active ability and made it a passive for one toon. That's my issue with it. I'm not even saying he's overpowered, that just doesn't make sense.

You are wanting to change 2 things.

One is activation while stunned and the other is activation while ability blocked.

If ability block can stop RG taunt, it should then also stop counter attacks and other unique abilities. Why does it need to be specific to RG unique?

"Hedgehog;377076" wrote:


Debuff removal is an active ability for Ackbar and a passive ability (albeit, with limited application) for Barriss. At this point you're just stubbornly picking on RG because you can't out-play the people who use one.

Never said I had any issue with RG, or even said he was overpowered. All I said was that I saw something happen twice and didn't think it made sense. Didn't even say it caused me to lose a fight.

"Galdin_Wan;377060" wrote:

"Hedgehog;377049" wrote:

"Galdin_Wan;377036" wrote:

"scuba;377009" wrote:
Ability block does not stop any other unique ability so why should it stop RG unique?

Other peoples' unique skills are passive skills, not an active skill for everyone else that uses it turned into a passive skill.

5's can't counter when he's stunned. Why? Because shooting someone is an active skill.

Counter essentially activates your basic attack, and basic attacks can't be used while stunned. Passive abilities are their own unique ability - again, you'd be ok with stun stopping the passives of Kylo Ren, Barriss, Sidious, Daka, etc. from activating?

Again, taunt is an active ability for everyone else, they/player has to activate it. Passives are abilities that just happen naturally, no one ever has to active them, they happen on their own.

They took an active ability and made it a passive for one toon. That's my issue with it. I'm not even saying he's overpowered, that just doesn't make sense.

You have this preconceived notion that taunt MUST be an active skill. And you formulate your argument around that.

A red apple is red. all red things are not necessarily red apples.
Active skills are skills that require user input.Most taunts in mobas/mmos require user input.Therefore taunts that require user input are active skills.However, not all taunts are necessarily active skills.

You're playing a game where people wave lightsabers and throw lightning at each other.Does that make sense?Yet you have a problem with RG.

"Zekex;377105" wrote:

Again, taunt is an active ability for everyone else, they/player has to activate it. Passives are abilities that just happen naturally, no one ever has to active them, they happen on their own.

They took an active ability and made it a passive for one toon. That's my issue with it. I'm not even saying he's overpowered, that just doesn't make sense.

You have this preconceived notion that taunt MUST be an active skill. And you formulate your argument around that.

A red apple is red. all red things are not necessarily red apples.
Active skills are skills that require user input.Most taunts in mobas/mmos require user input.Therefore taunts that require user input are active skills.However, not all taunts are necessarily active skills.

You're playing a game where people wave lightsabers and throw lightning at each other.Does that make sense?Yet you have a problem with RG.

Well it's active for everyone else in the game, that's why.

But the last part actually made me laugh lol, perhaps I am overthinking this.

Regardless (no pun intended) of whether it's in line with other passive abilities, I think it's stu.pid that a stunned character can Taunt... Or Dodge.
Of course right after this somebody will start the complaints about too many stuns.

"Cryo_G3n;377137" wrote:
I make due just fine with Phasma (l), QGJ, Daka, Han, Fives. There are RGs all around me, doesn't make a difference. Just have to l2p...

I have no issue killing teams with him, I just thought taunting while stunned made no sense.

I use QGJ to remove the taunt, or a get a character down to the point where they're about to go yellow and stop. Then I'll use Harmonious Assault of some high damage skill and kill them. It's funny because RG will still taunt even with the person dead.

Or I'll save Sid's AOE and stick healing immunity on a toon, so if someone ends up hanging on by a thread they can't be healed and I can kill them with the AOE even with the taunt up. Same with Phasma.