Sion bug

This is the current answer we have.

"Kyno;c-1711123" wrote:

This is the current answer we have.

Where is that answer from, Kyno? The behavior has been "flagged for review" on AnswersHQ.

It looks like the order of operations got changed between Sion & Traya.

Previously, Traya would clear debuffs before Sion checked for the presence of Pain. Therefore he would never taunt.

Now, it looks like Sion sees Pain and taunts before Traya clears the debuffs.

"Liath;c-1711231" wrote:
And hence me saying it’s no longer current. Not sure I understand your point.

Review means that they will come back and say everything is WAI, which means the current answer doesnt change. Or it needs to be fixed << that changes the current answer.

The current answer is the answer until they say its different, reviewing something doesnt change its current state until it is decided the current state is incorrect.

Currently sion is taunting when a hero doesn’t have pain on them. This is a obvious bug in the game. When is this going to get fixed? They rushed to fix nest when she was able to beat EA’s new golden hero Revan. But what’s being done quickly about this bug?

"Rui99;c-1711415" wrote:
Currently sion is taunting when a hero doesn’t have pain on them. This is a obvious bug in the game. When is this going to get fixed? They rushed to fix nest when she was able to beat EA’s new golden hero Revan. But what’s being done quickly about this bug?

Before this patch there was a similar situation, but it was "working as intended":

A Rey (Jedi Training) with a zeta Virtuous Protector unique vs a squad that contained a Sion and a Nihilus with a zeta Lord of Hunger.

If Rey has Pain, and then starts her turn, the following situation could occur:
1. Sion sees that Rey has Pain. Sion gains taunt.
2. Nihilus Lord of Hunger triggers, and applies Health Down to RJT.
3. RJT Virtuous Protector triggers and clears all debuffs (including Pain).

All of these things happen in sequential order, but happen so quickly that they appear instantaneous to us. What most people will see is that RJT starts her turn, she has no debuffs, but Sion is taunting.

Because of the "order" in which those beginning-of-turn operations occurred, it was entirely possible for Sion to taunt despite RJT not having Pain. Sion's taunt does not go away if Pain is dispelled - it has a once per turn check. If the character has Pain, then Gain Taunt for 1 turn.

The reason this is being flagged for review right now is because it is a sudden change in functionality, and it wasn't listed as deliberate. An unintentional change into gameplay - by definition of being unintentional - is a bug. It's possible that a developer made this intentionally, but left it off the change logs for the build, so it wasn't included in the patch notes.

It's also possible the order of operations changed to fix something different, and this was an unanticipated consequence. We have to wait for the Devs to tell us why.

"PeteBajama;c-1711548" wrote:
Nerfing Traya to push other characters, sounds likr something CG would do

Yes, nerfing Traya to push Sion. Because Sion isn’t usually used on a Traya team, and should be used without her...

"Nihion;c-1711582" wrote:

"PeteBajama;c-1711548" wrote:
Nerfing Traya to push other characters, sounds likr something CG would do

Yes, nerfing Traya to push Sion. Because Sion isn’t usually used on a Traya team, and should be used without her...

What the hell kind of traya team are you playing with that doesn't use sion?

"Mercury90;c-1711731" wrote:


What the hell kind of traya team are you playing with that doesn't use sion?

Your sarcasm detector is a little out

"RagnarTheElder_1;c-1712048" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1711123" wrote:

This is the current answer we have.

This answer is kitten since only the Sion from the defending team has the privilege to ignore Trayas cleanse.
The whole thing is kitten if it goes down as intended because after months playing against Trayas you guys come along and just change the gameplay as it pleases you? What is going on? To much f2p's getting to much crystals in arena?

As stated above. That is just the current answer we have, but other members of the team on Answers HQ have stated they will flag it for investigation.

Yes there are some obvious discrepancies that should be highlighting the issue, but all we can do is provide the information and let them sort it out (in a hopefully timely manner)

"Kyno;c-1711500" wrote:

"Liath;c-1711405" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1711376" wrote:

"Liath;c-1711231" wrote:
And hence me saying it’s no longer current. Not sure I understand your point.

Review means that they will come back and say everything is WAI, which means the current answer doesnt change. Or it needs to be fixed << that changes the current answer.

The current answer is the answer until they say its different, reviewing something doesnt change its current state until it is decided the current state is incorrect.

If they don’t know whether it’s bugged they shouldn’t say it’s not bugged. That’s all I’m saying.

It's a binary state, would seem odd to change the current state until there is a reason to.

Except that there are more than two possible answers one can give to “is X a bug?” You can respond to that question with “yes” or “no,” but you can also respond to it with “I don’t know.” And if, in fact, you do not know, that is the answer you should give.

You talk about not changing the current state, but just like the person you quoted, you are ignoring that the way it is working at this moment IS a change in the state from how it has worked since these two characters were released, what, 9 or 10 months ago?