Sith raid nerf?

No I like it as is please leave it alone.
Agree it’s a tough one but in time we have beat heroic.
People with bigger guilds and rosters need end game content as to not get bored.

Given that "enjoyable" is highly subjective, you are going to need to be a bit more specific than that.

I don't enjoy the inconsistent behavior with when DN gets to use annihilate or not. Sometimes its got a CD of 1 remaining, and after his first basic attack it goes down to zero and he annihilates one toon. Usually the CD doesn't change though until after he has taken both moves, leaving annihilate for the following set of actions he gets. (And no I'm not talking about him using force drain for his first action - that while annoying, is at least predictable).

I do enjoy fighting against Sion and Traya though, so... what do you mean by enjoyable?

"Fanatic;c-1505261" wrote:
Given that "enjoyable" is highly subjective, you are going to need to be a bit more specific than that.

I don't enjoy the inconsistent behavior with when DN gets to use annihilate or not. Sometimes its got a CD of 1 remaining, and after his first basic attack it goes down to zero and he annihilates one toon. Usually the CD doesn't change though until after he has taken both moves, leaving annihilate for the following set of actions he gets. (And no I'm not talking about him using force drain for his first action - that while annoying, is at least predictable).

I do enjoy fighting against Sion and Traya though, so... what do you mean by enjoyable?

I think everyone knows what enjoyable means and what this guy means. It is NOT an enjoyable raid. Many youtubers and easily 60 to 65% of the player base is not having fun with the Sith Raid. The AAT raid, while tough, is managable and provides uniqueness. Rencor raid is more enjoyable and offers better rewards as well.

It could be the reward system is better than the Sith Raid and the fact that the other raids dont feel like its dragging for weeks. My raid finished the sith raid in 2 weeks..anyone attacking the sith can barely achieve 1% damage or maybe 2%.
Other raids a single attack could yield 4 to 5%. You feel more accomplished.
At least thats my opinion

"Fanatic;c-1505261" wrote:
Given that "enjoyable" is highly subjective, you are going to need to be a bit more specific than that.

I don't enjoy the inconsistent behavior with when DN gets to use annihilate or not. Sometimes its got a CD of 1 remaining, and after his first basic attack it goes down to zero and he annihilates one toon. Usually the CD doesn't change though until after he has taken both moves, leaving annihilate for the following set of actions he gets. (And no I'm not talking about him using force drain for his first action - that while annoying, is at least predictable).

I do enjoy fighting against Sion and Traya though, so... what do you mean by enjoyable?

If his basic attack dispels any buffs it reduces the cooldown of Drain Force AND Annihilate by 1. So if Annihilate is on a cooldown of 1, he uses his basic and strips any buffs, the cooldown is reduced immediately and he can use annihilate. When that's the case try to make sure someone uses the shield skill while they have a buff so he's forced to attack them, and then annihilate. If the person with the shield skill isn't buffed, but others are you're kinda screwed. At that point just retreat and let RNG take you away yet again.

Now, I didn't say this was enjoyable, just pointing out that Annihilate isn't random. Phase 1 is just a huge turn-off to most guilds that aren't extremely competitive, while I like that they've started making more use of raid mechanics with the Sith Raid, P1 is much more difficult to manage than the others which is rather annoying.

"KwikShotaAce;c-1505278" wrote:

"Fanatic;c-1505261" wrote:
Given that "enjoyable" is highly subjective, you are going to need to be a bit more specific than that.

I don't enjoy the inconsistent behavior with when DN gets to use annihilate or not. Sometimes its got a CD of 1 remaining, and after his first basic attack it goes down to zero and he annihilates one toon. Usually the CD doesn't change though until after he has taken both moves, leaving annihilate for the following set of actions he gets. (And no I'm not talking about him using force drain for his first action - that while annoying, is at least predictable).

I do enjoy fighting against Sion and Traya though, so... what do you mean by enjoyable?

I think everyone knows what enjoyable means and what this guy means. It is NOT an enjoyable raid. Many youtubers and easily 60 to 65% of the player base is not having fun with the Sith Raid. The AAT raid, while tough, is managable and provides uniqueness. Rencor raid is more enjoyable and offers better rewards as well.

It could be the reward system is better than the Sith Raid and the fact that the other raids dont feel like its dragging for weeks. My raid finished the sith raid in 2 weeks..anyone attacking the sith can barely achieve 1% damage or maybe 2%.
Other raids a single attack could yield 4 to 5%. You feel more accomplished.
At least thats my opinion

You can do 5% at Heroic. Leaders and officers need to do the maths and determine how many of the ok teams their guild has before attempting heroic. Heroic has much lower HP so just need to say 'do we have 20-25 JTR teams for Phase 1 or do I have 20-25 zHan teams for P3 etc.

Mid tier guilds should plan for the next 3 days gap between TW and TB and maybe bring in 5-10 mercenaries who can deal good damage in heroic sith to get you across the line

"KwikShotaAce;c-1505278" wrote:

I think everyone knows what enjoyable means and what this guy means. It is NOT an enjoyable raid. Many youtubers and easily 60 to 65% of the player base is not having fun with the Sith Raid. The AAT raid, while tough, is managable and provides uniqueness. Rencor raid is more enjoyable and offers better rewards as well.

It could be the reward system is better than the Sith Raid and the fact that the other raids dont feel like its dragging for weeks. My raid finished the sith raid in 2 weeks..anyone attacking the sith can barely achieve 1% damage or maybe 2%.
Other raids a single attack could yield 4 to 5%. You feel more accomplished.
At least thats my opinion

Coming to the boards and saying "I hate the sith raid" isn't useful to the dev team. Coming and saying "I hate the sith raid because of X, Y, and Z" is. Assuming x, y, and z are meaningful points. e.g, I hate DN's inconsistency in using annihilate.

As for comparing gear, I don't think that is a meaningful comparison. I'd much rather have a couple of pieces of t12 gear salvage over the heroic rancor drops (mostly challenge gear... sigh). I could agree with you I'd like to see more than 2-3 pieces of each salvage gear, but that is a different issue.

And if it took your guild 2 weeks to clear the sith raid, what tier level is your guild doing? Is your guild 50 members? Did all members participate? Saying it took two weeks and nothing more doesn't really say anything. For all we know you have a guild of ten, and you are the only person who was attacking it during those two weeks.

Now if you say something like "we are a 75M gp guild and it took us two weeks to clear t6" that is more useful information, but then at 75m gp, t6 probably isn't the tier for your guild to be doing yet. That's the equivalent of complaining rancor t6 is to hard and to boring for a 10m gp guild. Build your roster up to it. It will take time of course, but that is expected if you aren't in a 140m+ gp guild.

Probably later.. if do the nerf now, gigantic guild will protest bcause it's allow other people (FTP) to get traya. But few months after gigantic guild get their traya *7 probably there will be sith raid nerf.

Add : Indicator there will be nerf usually there is complaint from gigantic guild. But i haven't see one. Mostly from medium n small guild.

Changed how?

Our guild took weeks to beat Rancor heroic. It took us a month for Tank heroic.

We cleared heroic Sith from day one.

This is by far the easiest raid at launch. We already are putting in rules because we clear it too fast for everyone to record a 0.

"slickdealer;c-1505327" wrote:
Changed how?

Our guild took weeks to beat Rancor heroic. It took us a month for Tank heroic.

We cleared heroic Sith from day one.

This is by far the easiest raid at launch. We already are putting in rules because we clear it too fast for everyone to record a 0.

You don't think it has anything to do with the progress you've made as a guild between the time you cleared the Rancor and now?

"By far the easiest raid at launch" is both relative and subjective.

There's literally nothing wrong with the raid.

You need to either get into a better guild, or build the proper teams and learn the mechanics.

H-AAT was the same way when it first launched. It was difficult and everyone hated it. Eventually after it has been out for a bit and people have figured out the ideal comps, it will become trivial.

Until then, your options have been listed above.