Sith Raid Rewards: Time to Revisit

"WookieWookie;c-2184706" wrote:

"CG_Doja_Fett;c-2184448" wrote:
HSTR rewards structure is something myself and Crumb have been (and will continue to be) raising awareness about with the devs. It's not our call, so can't say what will happen going forward, but I feel like it's a worthwhile cause.

You, sir, the chosen one, are.

just remember what happened to the last "chosen one".

"Ultra;c-2184886" wrote:

"LukeDukem8;c-2184880" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2184484" wrote:

"Jarioch69;c-2184482" wrote:
100% Agree, all raids existing are Pre-GL and Pre-Relics!! Tank needs full Sim like Pit and/or New Tiers relative to Updated Toon capabilities. Also could bring New Raid and maybe a Fleet Raid. Raids have become stale, stale, stale....

I did ask them about Raids a year ago,

Q: Whatever happened to Arcade / Mythic Raids? The whole scoring system was a neat idea and interesting take but its been a year since all that stuff was datamined to be a work in progress.?

A: CG_Vyeking - The foundation laid for Arcade/Mythic raids last year will serve as the bones for our upcoming content system. Our goal for this feature is to provide you with more solo and guild content more quickly, and for all players. Pre-production for this feature has just started and you can expect to see something later in 2020.

unless Vyeking was talking about Galactic Challenges, we still have two months left in 2020, so I'm hopeful the next Road Ahead is about this, or Guild vs Guild GAC they mentioned or something else related to this

This made me chuckle of another goal not met. I hope I am wrong, but let's be real about their track record.

How do we know they didn't meet their goal?

Fair. We have 2 holiday filled months left of the year, Search your feelings; you know it to be true!

"Ultra;c-2184901" wrote:

"LukeDukem8;c-2184898" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2184886" wrote:

"LukeDukem8;c-2184880" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2184484" wrote:

"Jarioch69;c-2184482" wrote:
100% Agree, all raids existing are Pre-GL and Pre-Relics!! Tank needs full Sim like Pit and/or New Tiers relative to Updated Toon capabilities. Also could bring New Raid and maybe a Fleet Raid. Raids have become stale, stale, stale....

I did ask them about Raids a year ago,

Q: Whatever happened to Arcade / Mythic Raids? The whole scoring system was a neat idea and interesting take but its been a year since all that stuff was datamined to be a work in progress.?

A: CG_Vyeking - The foundation laid for Arcade/Mythic raids last year will serve as the bones for our upcoming content system. Our goal for this feature is to provide you with more solo and guild content more quickly, and for all players. Pre-production for this feature has just started and you can expect to see something later in 2020.

unless Vyeking was talking about Galactic Challenges, we still have two months left in 2020, so I'm hopeful the next Road Ahead is about this, or Guild vs Guild GAC they mentioned or something else related to this

This made me chuckle of another goal not met. I hope I am wrong, but let's be real about their track record.

How do we know they didn't meet their goal?

Fair. We have 2 holiday filled months left of the year, Search your feelings; you know it to be true!

Even if they don't deliver more new PvE or PvP content for the rest of the year, Vyeking's comments won't be wrong because of GC, GL events, JKL event

Well Vyeking also said this, so I don’t know that I’d count GL or JKL events as content.

Q: Could you please define what you consider “new content?” I believe that there is a significant disconnect between what CG thinks of as “new content,” and what a large part of the playerbase does.
A: CG_Vyeking - While we broadly term characters, ships, and their corresponding events as content, this is not the 'new' content that I referred to in previous Q&A's. Nor would I consider the addition of the Challenge Tiers in Assault Battles the form of 'new' content I think meets the needs of our players. When I say 'new' content I mean wholly-new and fresh experiences served up to our players at regular intervals.

"CG_Doja_Fett;c-2184448" wrote:
HSTR rewards structure is something myself and Crumb have been (and will continue to be) raising awareness about with the devs. It's not our call, so can't say what will happen going forward, but I feel like it's a worthwhile cause.

Thank you for your response; I truly appreciate it. I don't often check the forums anymore cause, well, you know why I'm sure. If you are going to be a more common presence than what we are used to in the past two years, I'll change that up.

One thing I would urge you to make sure the devs are thinking about is the trickle down here. People in end game guilds are now having to merc to get decent rewards again. So tiny guilds that have no business beating HSR are going to be getting HSR rewards.

Thank you again for responding. This community can be a great one when it is given attention.

"Waqui;c-2186577" wrote:
A player who solos the raids will sometimes rank high - at other times rank low. It all evens out the more raids they complete because of the random order. IMO it's a good thing.

But this does mean everyone who unlocked SLKR share the good rewards, and the idiots who went for one of the other "similar power level" GLs like SEE get the terrible rewards every time. It shouldn't be that you have to have one specific character of you want a chance at decent rewards.

"BryGuy2k;c-2186882" wrote:

"AlienOverlord;c-2186685" wrote:


I don't think that'd be the case as you'd have to drop down to a guild of about 100 million GP to find ones that can't quite finish Heroic but then you'd miss better rewards in TB when you could join guilds in the 150 million GP range and still be the only one with SLKR, but they were already completing the raid.

If you’re already in a HSTR guild with more than 10 SLKR you just have to drop down to a guild that fewer than that - preferably none. First in HSTR three times a week is worth far more than first in arena everyday and definitely worth way more than 5-10 stars in Geo TBs (remember we only get TBs twice a month now).

If people are basically forced to leave guilds because of Raid payout structure, then the structure is poorly designed. And no - it was not the same with the other 2 raids because once everyone had the raid character, the rest of the rewards weren't a big deal - and there was still the possibility of full gear drops, even outside the top 10.

Waqui I keep seeing you in these threads going on about how the system currently is great and just leads to more and more even distribution over time, liking it to Rancor raid back in the day.

Everybody getting slkr to solo the raid seems like a poor solution to me.
It forces every single member of most higher end guilds to get slkr, above any other GL. This was not the case with Pit, which can be soloed by a number of teams and compositions. Furthermore even in current game economy, liking slkr with CLS seems way off.

For most players it’s not possible to get al GLs at current release cadence, again meaning that your argument is that it’s great people have to prioritise one GL for an even reward distribution. And this includes most players in guilds with more than 10 slkrs.

There’s also the argument that you must get in on the raid within minutes of it going live, otherwise damage could have been posted and you are locked out of top 10.

To me it seems so weird to be a proponent for a reward system that is so clearly broken, it’s moving people towards 1 toon who is what, 8 months old, and forcing people to be on in a window of minutes.
It’s leading people to leave their guild to merc with smaller guilds, leading people to leave their guilds permanently for lower level guilds without 10 SLKRs etc.

Just seems silly.

@CG_Doja_Fett is there any possibility of something happening about this? Leaving my guild just to get some better rewards inbetween TW and TB is not really how I want to play this game to survive. As others have stated, it’s not ideal that the game forces you to get SLKR to stay competitive in the raids and then you’re eternally punished for choosing any other GL.

"Waqui;c-2186922" wrote:

"SiStibbs;c-2186674" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2186577" wrote:
A player who solos the raids will sometimes rank high - at other times rank low. It all evens out the more raids they complete because of the random order. IMO it's a good thing.

But this does mean everyone who unlocked SLKR share the good rewards, and the **** who went for one of the other "similar power level" GLs like SEE get the terrible rewards every time. It shouldn't be that you have to have one specific character of you want a chance at decent rewards.

It has always been the case with every raid that at some point if you wanted to keep winning top rewards you needed to solo the raid. Nothing new. Raids become trivial at some point.

First off, the other 2 raids have the possibility of full gear drops outside the top 10 - HSith does not (anymore). So the statement that "it has always been the case" while technically true, is not accurate.

Secondly, there are several different teams that can can solo the other 2 raids. For HSith, there is 1. And now that there are 4 GLs....there's still only 1.

The problem here is twofold - 1) CG reworked HSith rewards to make them disproportionately top-heavy compared to the other 2 raids. 2) CG created a situation where only one character can guarantee those top rewards.

The problem with mercing is that SLKR owners are trying to merc to the very guilds that the non-SLKR owners are moving to to attain top scores without him. The situation has basically become one where both SLKR owners and those that don't, want to merc. HSith isn't trivial because the top 10 rewards are so much better than 11 down.

This situation is also bad for newer players, as CG is basically prescribing play, by forcing SLKR as the only HSith option for the foreseeable future.

"Nikoms565;c-2187161" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2186922" wrote:

"SiStibbs;c-2186674" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2186577" wrote:
A player who solos the raids will sometimes rank high - at other times rank low. It all evens out the more raids they complete because of the random order. IMO it's a good thing.

But this does mean everyone who unlocked SLKR share the good rewards, and the **** who went for one of the other "similar power level" GLs like SEE get the terrible rewards every time. It shouldn't be that you have to have one specific character of you want a chance at decent rewards.

It has always been the case with every raid that at some point if you wanted to keep winning top rewards you needed to solo the raid. Nothing new. Raids become trivial at some point.

First off, the other 2 raids have the possibility of full gear drops outside the top 10 - HSith does not (anymore). So the statement that "it has always been the case" while technically true, is not accurate.

Secondly, there are several different teams that can can solo the other 2 raids. For HSith, there is 1. And now that there are 4 GLs....there's still only 1.

For now, yes. I trust that more will be introduced at some point - just like it they were for Rancor and AAT raids. At first you needed Teebo and Wampa to solo Rancor and AAT.

The problem here is twofold - 1) CG reworked HSith rewards to make them disproportionately top-heavy compared to the other 2 raids. 2) CG created a situation where only one character can guarantee those top rewards.

The problem with mercing is that SLKR owners are trying to merc to the very guilds that the non-SLKR owners are moving to to attain top scores without him. The situation has basically become one where both SLKR owners and those that don't, want to merc. HSith isn't trivial because the top 10 rewards are so much better than 11 down.

This situation is also bad for newer players, as CG is basically prescribing play, by forcing SLKR as the only HSith option for the foreseeable future.

If merc'ing was really such a problem why would any guild accept a mercenary? If merc'ing was really such a problem why would anybody merc? I believe merc'ing is mutualy beneficial for both the mercenary and the guild they help out (and also helps out the mercenary's home guild). I don't see merc'ing as such a bad thing. It's an option you can chose if you like. I believe that those who see merc'ing as a requirement now are players who benefited from the top-heavy reward structure - maybe for more than 2 years. I don't see it as a bad thing that more of their guild mates now also take a slice of the cake. Personaly I have been at both ends of that stick on different accounts (only rarely merc'ed myself).

I don't see why it's such a problem for newer players that only one GL solos the raid. Newer players know which GL to chose as their first GL if they want to solo hSTR.