Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

I think with just a few tweaks the raid would be fine.
1. lower the insane health for non heroic.
2. lower the tenacity gain. it has seriously crippled 60-70% of all toons in the game.
3. rewards are a joke in non heroic.

I'm in a 90mil guild. we can do t6 but its dumb to do because it takes a week for no rewards. so we do t4 for crappy rewards. everyone sighs when we launch.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:

What tier or tiers did you play?

Our guild has done T4, T5, and T6. We started with a T6 and quickly figured out we shouldn't bother with Heroic. We've mostly been running T4. We just did a T5 this week to see how much worse it was.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

Our guild GP is 106million.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

I've tried running Jedi, Phoenix Squad, Empire (Palpatine lead and Thrawn lead), Resistance, Rebels, First Order, Droids, and just teams of random characters.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

I literally cannot do damage with Nihilus with most of my teams. Even when I can it's minimal. Even when things DO work, Nihilus just randomly does or doesn't use his annihilate when he should. Meaning that Phases 1 and 4 are completely random. The extra tenacity in each phase basically rules out Resistance and Palpatine lead Empire teams, which are two of my three best teams. My rebels team using Commander Luke Skywalker, Biggs, Wedge, Lando, and ST Han or raid Han is literally the only team that can put up anything resembling damage in most phases. The entire raid feels like I'm slowly just getting ground to a pulp while making no progress. Everything feels tuned around 3 teams that all need to be G12. My characters that are G10 die fast and do little to no damage. My G12 toons are all debuff reliant, which means they're useless against the bosses 100% tenacity.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

Anihilus ignoring protection was a neat idea. It makes healers useful and wasn't completely degenerate. The cycle of pain debuff in Phase 2 was fun to manage. Phase 2 is hands down my favorite part. Managing damage out versus your damage in was a neat idea. Phase 3 is annoying, but manageable. The bonds of weakness thing isn't really fun, but doesn't make me want to throw my phone either. It feels balanced in P3.

Phase 1 and Phase 4 are completely and utterly degenerate. Nihilus is nearly impossible to damage with his protection. It's completely unnecessary mechanic that makes an already bad phase worse. The annihilate is completely inconsistent. I've had it come off cooldown and him not use it. Repeatedly.

Phase 4 is just a mess of mechanics. You have all the terribleness of Nihilus with bonus stuff to make it even harder. It's completely silly. Traya is frustrating on her own, but doable. Having all the mechanics thrown together is just horrible. It's impossible to manage and requires basically just out gearing and powering through it. Everything just piles up and stacks way, way too fast. It's far too punishing.

What tier or tiers did you play?

Mostly 3, sometimes 4

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

About 55 mil GP

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

Tried a bunch of combinations from JTR/Resistance, CLS/Wiggs/Chaze, to NS and Ewoks. I had hoped the BH rework would add a dimension, but it didn't.

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

Motivated: KotOR era characters, something new that I can participate with my guild in.

Demotivated: The whole thing. It sucks a lot of time to try and do P1 & P4. P1 is RNG. It feels like there's no team/strategy to the raid aside from just enduring the endless cycle. I like the game, but STR is just not worth my time. Rather than not contribute I just choose what squads will earn any damage and hit auto. The rewards offer me nothing to try and get a better spot. I don't actually care about what rewards I get. That's how unmotivated I am. Rancor? HAAT? Yea, those rewards I care about because they're actually worthwhile. STR? Not really.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

I like that it involves characters from the KotOR era.
I dislike that I watched any of the initial strategies changed almost immediately (Expose, Traya triggering damage abilities, etc). Low rewards for *WAY* too much effort put in. I'm looking at a long time before my guild will even begin to be able to start the slow grind to unlock Traya. I just got GK unlocked after being in my guild a few months, and that's great! Now I see this new raid character and it's going to take a year or more before I can begin another grind.

We are 149 mil GP and we crush the heroic sith raid. We have implemented a 12 hour pre reg hold because we can beat it quickly. We love the raid, no so much at first lol. And definitely did not like the nerf to rewards. They are the best rewards in the game so please keep as is. I’m 8 more raids away from unlocking traya and can’t wait!! One of our top players just unlocked her yesterday. We are very happy for him and are getting great feedback from him.

What tier or tiers did you play?

Tier 4 usually, sometimes tier 5.


What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

94m


What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

I use mostly a rebel team (CLS, Princess Leia, R2D2, with Stormtrooper Han / Old Ben / BB8 depending on the phase). It performs well in the second and third phase.

I have been working hard on a Nihilus (L) Sith team, but most of the Sith available to me aren't performing very well so far. It seemed like a strong team for phase 1, but is falling short.

I also have an old Droid team from around the time of Jawa Engineer coming out, with Nebit / HK47(L) / 86 / 88 - they perform alright on every phase.

As a note, I generally run the raid on Auto; there's always a raid going and I don't have time to actually play out the attempts. I miss some days altogether, but most of the time I'll play out one or two attacks with my best team or two.


What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

I get demotivated by the fact that it's endless, all day every day, with 5 attacks each day. It's far too much. I get motivated by the cool new abilities that replace the old "retreat" ability (which I hated and never used) and enjoy battling the Sith Triumvirate, as the encounters are fairly diverse and definitely interesting.


What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

To add to my answer to the previous question, I dislike the rewards. I have to put in 5 attacks each day for several days, and receive next to nothing. Territory battles are less work than this, and about ten times the rewards. Why we bother, I can't quite figure out.

Although it integrates extremely badly into the rest of the game by demanding tons of extra time and rewarding next to nothing, the raid itself is amazing. It's been beautifully designed, visually and mechanically. Battling the Sith Triumvirate here is a reward in and of itself. There couldn't possibly have been a better raid developed at this time, and the theme is of great taste. Well done, bravo.

Now give us a reason to do it, and stop making us do it five times a day.

Edit: As a note, a lot of people seem to complain about tenacity, Raid Nihilus in general, and some other raid mechanics. I imagine that's to be expected, but I feel like it's nice that this raid doesn't have the usual obvious counters (like TMR-ing into oblivion). I'm grateful that we have to develop new strategies, and there's no clean-cut way to deal with these threats. Makes it a ton more interesting.

Mostly tier 4 raids
92 million gp.
I have tried many teams with my akbar lead and imperial troopers being my best.
Pros: tier 2 and 3 have enjoyable mechanics.
Cons: I can top damage in p1 but it is so much harder than phase 2 and 3(they give damage boosts) that by the time I can attack again those 2 phases are cleared and I have no chance to end in top 3. Raid is set up to encourage people to sit back and wait for easier phases to max out damage.
Solutions: unbreakable will reflects damage if annihilate is used against that target. Not all damage, but a lot of damage. Would make p1 and 4 more enjoyable and allow for people to keep up in damage with other phases if they are being careful.
Thank you for your time!

Most parts of the raid are fun, I just always get stuck with p1 and p4 which both suck.

Hey dev team, appreciate the effort to listen to us complain.
1. 60M guild, running T3 raids now, tried a few T4 but just took too long. Even on T3 our raid tickets sit on max for a few days before we can clear.
2. Running the JTR and NS teams mainly, but truly it is any/every thing available. Having some luck with Thrawn lead and Wedge lead.
3. Personally, I enjoy trying to beat my score everyday, keep a log etc..., and this is not that difficult in P2 and P3. However, in P1 this could mean 4 or 5 retreats. So now my “daily allowance” of game time is up. Im 45 years old, so this isnt like a forced thing, but rwl life exists.
4. The worst part of the raid is that it force drains the energy out of every memeber of the guild. We went from 90ish% participation at launch, down to 40% participation on a great day, normally 20%.
5. I totally get that you guys wanted to design a raid that could not be auto played. I say, keep that aspect, but change the damage ratios or maybe the rewards. If this raid were a stand alone game, you guys would have knocked it out of the park. But this is one raid, in a game with three raids, territory wars, territory battles, arena, ship arena, daily challenges, ship challenges, galactic war, special events....hopefully you are getting the picture.
6. Also, the Boba contract is basically not a factor. I saw my first chance to even take a swat at it today in Phase 1, but DN was one turn from enrage, so why bother? Small thing, doesnt really make a difference, but these contracts were touted as a big deal, and they dont really work in this raid.
7. Keep up the good work. We are like Soldiers.... if we are not complaining then something is wrong.

I like this thread.

What tier or tiers did you play?

Our current rotation is that we are alternating between Tier 4 and Tier 5 while the guild is building up the Heroic Teams.

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

We have 49 members and are at 103 Million GP

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

All of them in the intitial weeks. I eventually settled on several teams depending on the phase. The teams I use the most are the JTR P1 team, OG Nightsisters, KRU First Order, a version of Chex Mix, Troopers, and Phoenix are all options I use most often.


What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

The complexity and challenge are both motivators and demoralizing factors. I love that it's a challenge and requires complete guild readiness and participation. What I didn't like was this sense of the Raid being a moving target for a while as CG kept adjusting it.

What about the raid did you enjoy?

Challenge and ability to use a variety of teams I wouldn't have used otherwise.

What did you dislike about the raid?

Rewards seem light considering the effort. Nihilus HP is annoying, and Phase 4 Traya gets to enrage far too quickly for my tastes.

What tier or tiers did you play? - T7 (heroic)
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? - ~123M first time passing heroic
What teams you did you attempt the raid with? - P1 : RJT, P2 : Imperial Troopers, Phoenix, Sith, Nute/Leia/Acolyte, Wampa. P3 : Chex team, Rolo team, P4 : NS, and rest of the bench
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? - Were it not for the Traya shards.........

"Paarngfig;c-1548252" wrote:

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid? -There is absolutely nothing enjoyable about the raid , except the end! One of the most frustrating aspects of this game is rng... period! So you go and develop a raid that revolves around and is predicated by rng? This is what you consider good game development and enjoyable game play?? Well it isn’t.... not at all. I enjoy raids, love trying new teams and finding OP comps but all of that is negated in this raid, the only thing I look forward to is a 7* Treya so I can take a zero in this horrible experience you call a raid.

Same here. It is a lazy design to leave it to RNG to decide the ourcome of so many tries, tries, and more tries even after your have the right G12 teams and decent MODs..... You planners and designers think we have no real lives to live in?

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:
Hello Holotable Heroes,

We have received a wide range of feedback about the newest raid, The Sith Triumvirate and we would like to hear more about your experience. Please include the following information in addition to your feedback:

• What tier or tiers did you play?
  
• What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
  
• What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
  
• What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
  
• What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
  

Firstly, good to see you guys taking serious feedback on this. I would like to say "I'll keep this brief" but...you know...

At the moment my guild of 100mil (was 110mil but greener pastures and all that Trayas) is doing T5 with the occasional T4 just when we need a break. T4 is done in around 16 hours, T5 5-7 days depending on participation.

My usual teams are JTR, NS, and Imp Troopers. At T5 I can still use a dot team of Zader, Bobba, Zidious, Wampa, Shaman because dots still apply. I have doubts on the viability of that side at a higher level. My 5th team is usually a rotation of whoever I want to try. Rebels, Sith, Random mixes etc.

Right now my only real motivation is that I come first every time. Rewards are horrible but atleast they're better than other members are getting.

There's a lot about the raid that is demotivating.

1) Massive health pools drawing out the raid. I get the idea of wanting it to be a guild wide raid, but asking people to do 25-30 battles per raid is more than a guild wide activity. It's a chore.

2) DN. This guy is horrible. Ignores protection, gains protection, but the worst part about him is annihilate. Even when you successfully shield yourself you often can't recover health to make it worthwhile. Even with a healer, when DN drops your cooldowns right after annihilate you're done.

2A) The DN side effect. The first day everyone hits the raid, the second day very few people hit the raid because they don't want to be the ones who use up their attempts and miss out on p2/p3. Same thing happens at the beginning of P4. This definitely adds to the dragging out of the raid.

DN is horrible. Sorry to say it again, he really just is.

3) Resets. It's a complicated mechanic especially with DN and it leads to frustration and restarting. This just drags everything out further.

4) Demotivated guild. Hard to stay motivated when everyone is always complaining about the raid. I quit as an officer not long after the raid came out. I really tried to help my guild get through HAAT long ago but couldn't do it with this raid when I myself had so little interest in it.

5) Time sink. By the time we finish a T5 we have enough tickets to start again. Sometimes we do a T4 to give us a rest, but this raid is staring us in the face all day every day. You just did QOL updates and then added a raid that adds 20-30 minutes a day at least. I know you value engagement, but this is ridiculous.

6) It's not really fun. For so many reasons that I've listed. There's no feeling of "I want to do this raid" there's only a feeling of "I need to do this raid".

What I like and don't like...

1) Squads. I actually enjoy the fact that it makes me use toons and squads I haven't previously. However, it also makes the gear crunch (and horrible raid rewards) stand out even more. In Rancor/HAAT you usually had 2-3 toons ready to go and that meant to get a viable team you were focusing on 1-2 toons at a time.

This raid is built for squads with synergy. Few other combos work. You're not only forcing people to upgrade to g12 without releaving the gear crunch, but now they're required to focus on 3-5 toons at a time instead.

2) I like that each phase has something different about it, but I don't like how so many toons are essentially rendered useless due to there being too many effects being blocked. I imagine it's a logistics nightmare trying to get the balance right, but despite the differences in phases it does feel like the teams you can use have been pre-determined for you.

3) I hate everything DN, but you probably already guessed that.

My Biggest Complaint though....

This game is a grind, we know that and accept that, but there always needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel. I hated what you guys tried to do with Talzin/Wicket, but I understand the need to experiment. The reason I hated it was because generally a difficult to get toon was a 6 month grind. That's a long time, but it's close enough for us to see that light in the distance.

What you guys tried to do with Talzin/Wicket essentially removed that light which is why so many were upset about it.

Now look at the raid. Guilds filled with players who have been around for 18-24+ months are struggling to finish the raid in a reasonable time and then get rewards that don't even help them level the toons to get them to the next tier. 2+ years of grinding nearly every single day, and now there's no light in the distance. There's nothing more demotivating than that.

Again, appreciate you opening up this thread for debate. Hopefully you get some good feedback that helps you find the right balance between the companies needs and the player base.