Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

96 mil gp guild with about 10 JTR's

Other teams are New FO, NS, CLS/Fulcrum Combos, DV led emp teams, jawa and phoniex

Have done T1(4 hours) T2(8ish Hours) T3(1 Day) T4(2-3 Days) T5(5-6days)

Rinse and repeat a lot of the other comments. To time consuming, rewards are not worth the effort and subsequently participation has dropped to about half the guild actively contributing which increases the time once again.

Main issue is T1 and T4, its just a grind, even with strategy no one in our guild enjoys it

To counter balance the general feeling, here is my view on Sith Raid:
- Guild GP: 145M. Currently running Heroic

Now that my guild wins the Heroic in less than 24h, the more I play this raid, the more fun it is. Main reason are:
- If I have a decent but not awesome run, I will still post it and not try again like a million time.
- My teams are now stronger than when we first started Heroic. So this allow mistakes to be done and still have a good run.

- Phase 1 is actually fun once you understand the mechanics and are using a JTR team.
- Phase 2 is also fun to play. I like the fact that you have to make a decision at each turn to either clean Cycle of Pains or not.
- Phase 3 is fun, but needs mods to be moved around to get the correct order (Han needs to be slow). And that's a pain because we're missing good mod management features
- Phase 4 - DN is the least enjoyable phase. Even with Nighsisters maxed out, it still too RNG dependent with Sion and Traya in the mix
- Phase 4 - Sion... can't say. I usually don't play this phase as my First Order team is not OP enough.
- Phase 4 - Traya... Used to be very fun: Just throw everything left and see what it does. No longer the case because of the bug that gives erractic score (0 sometimes, 4M other times). So my guild decided that only the top 5 players can play at the end of this phase to avoid messing with the top 5 orders.

Rewards are good as they are (after the nerf revert) considering the time and gears invested.

So I'm an happy Sith Raider!

My guild is at 121 mio GP and we have cleared heroic 9 times already. Our first time clear was with 116 mio GP. I like the challenging aspect of the heroic version. Unlike T6 it's a matter of 3 hours. You run one or two teams per phase, wait for your guildmates to catch up and then continue.

T6 version of the raid on the other hand is a time sucking fun drain. I was dedicated at playing it to get as much practice as possible and have an advantage later on in heroic over less motivated players. It paid off but T6 is really no fun. P1-3 are ok. You can clear them within two days.
P4 is the most annoying part in T6. You can kill DN in heroic with 2-3 NS teams. In T6 DN has 50 mio HP. Unless the majority of your guild has great NS squads which we didn't have at that time, P4 alone will take 2 days. This is too much. It might have gotten better with Zombie and Talzin being available to farm.

So bottom line:

Heroic = yay.
T6 and below = meh.

I can fully understand the frustration about the sith raid. Heroic is comparably well designed IF you have the right teams, while the lower tiers just have too high HP levels. The bad part is that heroic is very restrictive in viable team compositions. On top of that JTR is the only way to go in P1. So if your guild doesn't have 25 JTRs, you're stuck forever in the non heroic tiers. And they suck badly. Just glad this part of the game is gone for me.

Another point are the rewards. While you get at least one full g12 piece in the heroic version if you rank in the top 3, T6 can't keep up.
Sure, you get g12 salvage but the numbers are just so low it's hard to justify the amount of effort.

-Played Tiers 1-4, currently farming Tier 1 for coin and guild store currency

-40 mil GP guild

-JTR/Empire/NS/Phoenix/Wiggs

-The raid is challenging but for us even HAAT is challenging. We like HAAT because at the end we get GK shards and decent rewards, same for Rancor even though it's not hard at all, again satisfying rewards (except the trolling challenge gear).

-The rewards for STR (non-heroic) feel like we are the punchline of a joke. HAHA at the end of all this torture is some stuff you might get from hitting a few hard nodes. Ummm no thanks. We'll auto this one until we are A LOT stronger or the rewards improve.

-Some cool things that came out of this were nice animations on Scion and creepy Nihilius mumblings, really like the Old Republic setting and theme.

Thanks again for opening up for feedback

What tier or tiers did you play?

We first jumped into tier 6 and realised it was going to take too long and dropped to T4 for a while, we are flying through T4 and are soon to progress to T5

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
We are a 72mil GP guild

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
We have many people trying with many variations of teams such as JTR, but me personally I use.

Rebels
NS
Sith
Resistance

The last squad changes, some times Jawas and whatever else I think might be able to do a bit of DMG and depending on the phase as well I might use phoenix.

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
I was put off by DN as I could never time using the shield and I do the least DMG there, but I enjoy it now.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
I would not say dislike, but it would be great if one of the lower tears has shards, like sion ones maybe :)

What tier or tiers did you play?
T7 Heroic
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
137M
What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
The usual suspects. RJT/mixedbag for P2/ChexMix for P3/NS and rest of the roster for P4
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
Traya shard and G12 pieces are very good motivators.The RNG messing your run is demotivating, but as soon as you have T7 on farm, it's less suicide-inducing.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

What I enjoy: Special abilities are a cool feature. Visually, raid is awesome. The core idea is cool. But...
Please, cut down the RNG-component of the raid in P1. Nihilus attacking sometime twice in a row, sometime thrice in a row without a proper way of anticipating is the single most infuriating mechanism of the raid. Unless I'm wrong, there's no way to predict if he's going to attack two or three time and considering his basic can steal buff and reduce the cooldown of force drain, it makes a HUGE impact and can ruin your run in no time. Please, for the love of the Force, Make Nihilus attack two time every turn. Or keep it that way but at least make it so we can predict this.

Also, if I were to let my fantasies run wild: Remove P4, replace it by a single ship phase that would come before P1. Like "Hey to reach the temple, you have to land of Malachor first, but something is on you way". Having to fight a huge ship, deactivate a shield, whatever make the most sense. Actual P1 would become P2, P2 would become P3 and so on. Just to give some use to ships.

1. What tier or tiers did you play?
2. What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
3. What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
4. What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
5. What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

Great thread. It should be clear by now that the Sith raid is making people quit the game. It's a shame that there are only 3 raids after 3 years. And the HAAT raid sucked in the beginning and so does the Sith raid.

1. Tier 4 or 5. It takes about the same time to do both, tier 4 is a bit faster.

2. 120M+ We have a serious lack of participation and interest in the sith raid. We are working towards JTR and you need to make that event available again soon, and then soon again.

3. I couldnt be arsed playing for some time because Nihilus was so incredibly boring. But I have started using the ewok engineer team with decent results. Imperial troopers work well in all phases. Luke does OK, using chexmix for p3. I dont have JTR and it's a damn shame I cant use my rogue one team, or old school rebels to any effect. Vader is meh. I do have Visas at 6* and G10 but she's not helping a lot so far.

4. Like everyone else, p1 is extremely (and I mean extremely) boring for a game and demotivating. It's a pain. It's not fun. It's a STUPID idea to have tenacity stacking and Nihilus is way too random. He can use annihilate or he doesnt, even if it is available. He drains and gets to use annihilate even if the countdown was at 4-6 before the drain. He enrages with 1 or even 2 turns left on the timer and you have no idea whats going to happen next. It sucks.

You have created a raid where all the new characters are a necessity on all tiers. What were you thinking? That we'd like to be crushed and frustrated by a new raid with poor rewards? It's a game. People want to play and have fun.
Sure, heroic should be hard, but the tiers before heroic should be a help to get to heroic, not just a frustrating block that make people quit.

Rewards are demotivating. Why spend hours and hours for a crap reward? Like I said we have problems getting people to even enter the raid. That's how boring it is.

Motivation is in gearing toons and scoring better than before. It's too slow to notice though.

5. I enjoyed the fact that you FINALLY released a new raid. Dont wait another year to release another raid. It can't be that hard. If it is, hire more, and the right, people.

I guess I already wrote my dislikes. It's boring. People quit. You have to take care of the players, and not only the whales. Nerf p1 and p4 and buff the rewards.

What tier or tiers did you play? T5 and the occasional T6.
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 100m GP, roughly.
What teams you did you attempt the raid with? Troopers for P2, Chex Mix for P3, NS for P4.1, random teams on auto for the rest, since no jrey.
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? Challenge-level gear in rewards, or piecemeal G12 rewards (1-2 salvage) for a 2-3 day effort is not worth anything more than autoing out 5 battles in a lot of instances.
What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

Nihilus is the problem with the raid. RNG with Traya in general is forgivable, but the entire raid is gated behind the use of Jrey+co in P1 - a character who is not reasonably available to the vast majority of us without the luxury of farming specifically for new releases or trying to keep up with shifting arena metas since the EP rework and the ever-constant arms race that is mod farming.
Bossk and Bounty Hunters do not address this shortcoming adequately enough, as he is also going to be a character that is gated behind the release schedule.
Couple this with Traya being a natural complement to the already-prevalent duo of Sion and Nihilus squashing the arena meta beyond recognition - who honestly stomps the vast majority of existing teams in arena, and the only clear-cut counter to is a suicide Probe Droid - and then the idea of gating further G12 gear behind Heroic cause me a lot of concern as to whether I should bother continuing the game if there's going to continue to be this wide a gulf between the have's and have-not's for jrey.

Hi,

Thx for the feedback asking !

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  What tier or tiers did you play? T5
  
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  What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 120m
  
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  What teams you did you attempt the raid with? JTR, Troopers, chex mix, zVader. Basically any characters with G11/G12 is trying to fit in a somehow synergic team.
  
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  What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
  Motivation: some reward.
  Demotivation : good active players do not even try the raid. We've almost disband the guild altough she was created the very first day of guild release feature.
  rewards are not matching the effort we put on (useless challenge gear again and poor ratio effort/reward). Too many hardly farmable teams needed. Too much JTR/NS dependant.
  
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  What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
  Enjoy : P2 is fun (because of big number we can achieve). P3 for same reason under special raid ability
  Dislike : RNG on P1 about DN skill order when they are all available. Global RNG on P1 about resist or not of DN and our char. Same for P4
  

What tier or tiers did you play?
We grind T6, also tried T5 but rewards are worse so we agreed that its better to grap some pieces of G12 stuff

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
About 110 Mio, but overall since its casual guild we have a strong top 5 a good bunch of around 20 players that particapte too and leftovers that more or less are only registered and are super frustrated with the raid mechanic. So we currently never reach the "GP" level.


What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
We currently use all the common teams, but building up Teams like Rey, NS etc. takes time and since our guild is casual friendly no one is forced to spend or farm Vets for Rey etc.

Since i am mostly a DS Player my current Teams are

• Thrawn+Troopers (that is my "Rey" Squad that do so much in all Phases and let me play for Top5 since i have Empire faction nearly maxed too)
  
• zVader,zSidious,zNihilus,etc. works fine once you manage to get DoTs stick
  
• BH Team with Jawa Engineer, since its T6 TD are fine and BH got a little Upgrade too (but i geared most up and overall the PvE Update wasnt good enough! I try to get Bossk to 6* the next weeks to use him too, but currently its only another 1mio+ Team. Which is bad, since its the latest rework feat pve focus and it clearly don't match with Rey, Troopers or P4 NS Teams, so the reworked clearly missed the goal to present another raid team - i still play it since its a) fun to play and b) i invested into them with G12 etc.)
  
• Droids with HK lead, R2,BB8, IG86 and IG88 or GG (both G12 and it depends if i use IG88 under Boba and Grievous uncounterable Basic is nice vs Sion P2)
  
• "Left over Team" is either a G12 Krennic-Empire Team or a zeta KRU Team with Fox which isnt build up enough but overall both are good enough for another 500k or more.
  

Sometimes i also throw in GK or run a fun Barris+4 Jawas Team P1 (good enough for 500k^^)

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
I am motivated since i love the game and enjoy most parts and try to support my guild. Overall i enjoy to tinker around and try different teams and ideas. Its also nice to score really high without Rey with my well build Empire faction. On the other side it totally understand guild members. It can be very frustrating to see that a team around Rey (already Arena Meta) is also the best idea for the new raid. Moneywise it may be good for CG but designwise making Rey super important can't be the right way. Watching Arena chat or forum/reddit to see entire guilds change, since players left or get kicked (if the dont have rey or farm vets etc.) makes me sad.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
I enjoy the fact, that the raid has mechanics that need a player (P1 catching Nihilus or remove Isolate etc.). This should prevent hitting "Auto Battle" in the future too. Combine the Sith Triumvirat as a challenge in P4 is also nice.
Compared to Rancor/AAT this raid is also frustrating with RNG mechanics or the "debuff immune" idea across ALL phases... immun vs Debuffs & TM reduction means entire Teams and a lot of toons can't be used or are crippled (also a reason why Rey lead is so dominant,hint: Expose nerf....the debuff itself was fine, hitting all other characters with Expose too was a wrong step, same for not only nerfing St.Han, also hitting Krennic+DT - which needed a zeta! etc.).
Gamedesign finally reached the point with "immun" vs "can't be Resisted" which screams: "It's a Trap!"
It will be a long way for my guild to be able to beat heroric, especially since latest faction rework missed the part to present another strong Raid Squad (wasn't it the idea behind the rework is not for Arena?). Its also frustrating to get a bunch of new Toons (Bossk, or BH that most players haven't build up) or new characters from Solo movie and all the other nice stuff from the last months (fox, sion etc.) that you simply can't unlock/farm if you haven't done the "Farm for Rey" Wall. The game is already well-filled with so many options that even money will only get you "shards" or "pieces" which also translate into "is it worth it?". I will still play this game and will try to do my best at sith raid but i also hope for more "real" playable Squads or a rework of the "immun to everthing" design at this raid.