Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1551389" wrote:

"QJinX;c-1551388" wrote:

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1551377" wrote:
Why wasn't this posted/shared on the SWGOH Reddit forum? There are a lot of players that prefer that forum to this one.

Bacause then they would get 10,000 negative feedback posts that they cant regulate or control. Then the true hatred for this event would be exposed. : )

Dunno, there is dev interaction there. I think your reason may have been valid but lately, they (Reddit posts) seem more constructive. Players here have pretty much echoed the same sentiment, free or casual, guppy, dolphin, or whale, The Sith Raid needs some serious rethinking. We have a new CM, hopefully he/she will continue to post there as Carrie and Cozi did.

I mean more that the post would get a ton of attention. They wouldnt be able to filter refusal to spend statements etc. I think reddit reaches a much larger audience so topics that seek feedback on a raid that is universally hated is probably dangerous for them. Their risk vs reward probably doesnt pan out. Even in this topic i think they asked questions they already have the anwers to. They are just making it appear that they are seeking our feedback. Just my opinion though.

"QJinX;c-1551420" wrote:

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1551389" wrote:

"QJinX;c-1551388" wrote:

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1551377" wrote:
Why wasn't this posted/shared on the SWGOH Reddit forum? There are a lot of players that prefer that forum to this one.

Bacause then they would get 10,000 negative feedback posts that they cant regulate or control. Then the true hatred for this event would be exposed. : )

Dunno, there is dev interaction there. I think your reason may have been valid but lately, they (Reddit posts) seem more constructive. Players here have pretty much echoed the same sentiment, free or casual, guppy, dolphin, or whale, The Sith Raid needs some serious rethinking. We have a new CM, hopefully he/she will continue to post there as Carrie and Cozi did.

I mean more that the post would get a ton of attention. They wouldnt be able to filter refusal to spend statements etc. I think reddit reaches a much larger audience so topics that seek feedback on a raid that is universally hated is probably dangerous for them. Their risk vs reward probably doesnt pan out. Even in this topic i think they asked questions they already have the anwers to. They are just making it appear that they are seeking our feedback. Just my opinion though.

Well, there's a certain truth to their raging there. I learned a long time ago, in business you can either fear your customers complaints, or deal with them. I have worked retail and wholesale, for over 40 years. Those with such experience learn how to listen and discuss even when you are being screamed at. Best thing I ever learned was no one has any more power over you then you give them. EA has a reputation for avoiding their customers. But they are getting better about it. CG once had an open door policy on their forums. But, too much venom was spewed. Thing is, when you take the rage part of their posts out, and read what they were mad about, you can find common ground. Folks just want to feel their voice matters and their opinion is valid.

What tier or tiers did you play? Heroic takes 60 mins max to complete

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 178M

What teams you did you attempt the raid with? P1- JTR, P2-Mix P3-Mix P4- NS

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? The only thing that keeps me going are the shards and gear once I get her to 7* then its just a zero like the other raids

What about the raid did you enjoy? When its over

What did you dislike about the raid? The raid is more of a chore with this rng, having to retreat all the time to get that good run in, seems unfair really. you should REMOVE the retreat option make it once you're in make it your best!

12 pages In. Lol.
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I mentioned back on page 3 or 4, but incase nobody read every single page...
A simple fix would be max health reduction on all tiers except heroic...remove nahillus protection on all tiers except heroic...but reduce the % to 1%, better rewards obviously, and a freaking topple/stagger on all tiers.
Traya topples after her sabers go Down...

But kwikshot, how would they do that??
Well im glad you asked reader.

Nahillus---make unbreakable will also stagger on annihilate impact..this also gives a fair chance to heal the near dead hero who used it.
Sion---more complicated but an idea could be...
Whenever all heroes have max stacks of pain, have the soothing ability not only remove all stacks, but stagger...but only if all heroes have pain...OR if sion gets hit with 5 attacks from heroes with max stacks, stagger/topple and remove all pain from all units..including sion. Maybe a block over his head counts down for every hit and 0...stagger

Final tier--make the fountain behind the sith flow...it has a health bar like rencor switch.
Once it gets hit so many times...the flow stops...shakes violently, staggering the sith..since their standing right next to it..

Less complex is just implement the same style of stagger from previous tiers on the abilities in final tier...unbreakable will and soothing..
This would just make the raid feel less sluggish and I think add some excitement into this monotone raid.
**also reduce max health on all tiers except heroic. Tier 6-15% reduction. Tier 5-12% tier 4-9% tier 3-6% tier 2-4% tier 1-2%
Heroic can stay...whales and 2+year players want a challenge..give them one. Traya shards should be enough and they shouldn't whine it complain about it..because they get a super beast hero while the rest of us should get decent items and tokens/credits and such. Dont pander to whales..pander to the rest of your community for once.

My guild is at 70 mil GP.

We've bounced around on STR. We did a T6 but it took us more than 2 weeks to finish. A T5 takes less than a week but the rewards are terrible. The T6 rewards would be okay if we could do it in a day or two but for 2 weeks it's pretty bad.

Out of our 49 members, only 3 can do any significant damage. Another dozen of us were able to post 10-20M damage and the rest don't participate at all because they can't even get more than a zero on the first phase due to Nihilis's protection.

Without amazing mods, you really can't do much in STR if you don't have a G11/G12 squad.

It takes too much time as well. I tried fighting manually but I can't put that much time into the game so I've just moved to auto-fighting. With TB, TW, and especially the annoyance of having to devote 2 hours each day to managing arena ranking I just don't have time for raids. Hard and mythic events have also started to suck up a huge amount of time as well. Making GW simmable helped a lot but the game still consumes a ton of time.

I'd love to see the rewards either raised significantly or the difficulty/time lowered this will continue to be a raid that everyone groans about.

• What tier or tiers did you play?
○ I have played T4, 5, 6 with my old guild
○ I have played T7 with my new merged guild
• What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
○ Doing T 4-6 we were 110m
○ Doing T7 we are 129m
• What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
○ P1
§ JTR, R2, BB8, R. Trooper, Scavenger Rey. I did some runs with zHyoda in for Scav Rey.
○ P2
§ Acbkar Lead, Princess Leia, GK, Thrawn, zHyoda
§ GK, Thrawn, zHyoda, Leia, Nightsister Spirit
§ Nute Gunray, Nightsister Acolyte, Baze, Old Ben, zHyoda
§ Zveers, Shore, Snow, Starck, Storm
§ Thrawn, Zveers, Shore, Snow, Starck,
○ P3
§ Chirrut, CLS, Han Solo, Pao, Death Trooper
○ P4
§ zzAsajj, Talzin, Old Daka, Talia, Zombie
§ zzAsajj, Acolyte, Old Daka, Talia, Initiate
§ zzAsajj, Talzin, Old Daka, Talia, Acolyte
• What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
○ Rewards, both gear and shards
• What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
○ I enjoy the competition and trying to squeeze more out of my squads since I compete with guys with much higher GP. I have always enjoyed raiding as it reminds me of some aspects of WoW raiding. Not a great or close analogy, but its close enough.
○ I dislike the massive randomness of the boss taking additional turns and what that does specifically for DN. I would say it isn't a rewarding mechanic.
○ I don’t care for the way that increased difficulty was added to the raid by eliminating using debuffs. I understand wanting your content to be hard, but that can be achieved through scaling as opposed to neglecting many toons ability to affect a fight.
○ Scoring bug in p4 is rather annoying. Hours of work can be taken away by someone else getting lucky and scoring an extra 2-4m points and rewards are poof gone. When that means Traya shards and normally extra g12 gear, that is significant.
Raid locks. They are still a bit ambiguous. They seem to be working as intended now. I can raid twice a week and be okay. Still doesn't explain why I was locked from my ever attempt at heroic despite having never attempted it. Clear and concise communication would be nice.

Thank you for the very detailed feedback everyone. We are in the process of reading through everyone's posts and collating into something we can review easily. I'll update the OP when we have some news to pass back to you folks. Thank you also for your patience, no one wants us to measure once and cut twice :)

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1551377" wrote:
Why wasn't this posted/shared on the SWGOH Reddit forum? There are a lot of players that prefer that forum to this one.

There is already a popular post on reddit that we responded to and are reviewing feedback from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/8ixe1v/demoralized_guild_seeks_kind_dev_to_rework_sith/

First, thank you @CG_SBCrumb for some sort of update/info.

Second,

"Sacull_Kinslayer;c-1550632" wrote:

"Pr0t0cl0wn;c-1550613" wrote:

"Sacull_Kinslayer;c-1550231" wrote:
Maybe by page 11

Do I hear Page 13???

Maybe page 12

You win the pool.

"CG_SBCrumb;c-1551579" wrote:
Thank you for the very detailed feedback everyone. We are in the process of reading through everyone's posts and collating into something we can review easily. I'll update the OP when we have some news to pass back to you folks. Thank you also for your patience, no one wants us to measure once and cut twice :)

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1551377" wrote:
Why wasn't this posted/shared on the SWGOH Reddit forum? There are a lot of players that prefer that forum to this one.

There is already a popular post on reddit that we responded to and are reviewing feedback from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/8ixe1v/demoralized_guild_seeks_kind_dev_to_rework_sith/

Ty, for the info!

1 - We are playing tier 4, it takes usually 5 days (of very hard work) to beat it. I wouldn't mind to switch to tier 3, but the tier 3 gear reward is complete trash, there is no better word for it. T4 has at least some useful gear to drop, although considering the time amount and effort the guild must put into it, its definitely not worth it (by far) and it only makes ppl more frustrated (and prone to leave SWgoh).

2 - We have 57 mil GP, 50/50, only 1 JRT team.

3 - Usually im using this roster: A - Wigs, Han, CLS, R2/chirrut; B - Zader, boba, Assija, Thrawn, Kylo/EE; C - 47,88, 86, JE, BB8; D - DN, Maul, Palp, Dooku, Kylo/5s; E - Veers, DT, Stark, Storm, Snow; F - AA, ezra, Leia, Chirrut/R2, +1. Currently working on NS for the P4, not ready yet.

4 + 5 - P2 and P3 are good. I mean rly good - and beautiful, exactly what one would expect from a new raid. P1 is, well, complicated (to put it mildly) and although its doable, its just rly hard to keep the track of the annihilation cooldown with all those moves. And if u make 1 mistake, its over - i rly dont like it. Ppl just dont have the time to start over and over again to do their best - just to get a few salvages. In Haat - u can see the TM of the big gun, u can prepare. Here, u can just pray to all gods that u did the math right and DN wont annihilate u next round, otherwise...As for the last Phase (P4) - this is definitely the worst one of all. And most annoying. And frustrating and exhausting. Im almost afraid to make a move cos i have no idea whats gonna happen next and who is gonna die, its just too complicated and demotivating, especially the start when u must fight against all 3 siths at once. IMO, this phase needs a rework, to make it "more clear"/less complicated. And last but not least, the rewards (except for heroic - this is OK) needs some serious buff + high chance to drop full piece (of Rancor only and HaaT only gear).


Conclusion/suggestion - 1.) Buff rewards (gear-wise, especially HRancor/HAAT gear is needed) for all tiers, except for heroic (heroic rewards are already good enough). 2.) Add new warning Icon for DN in phase 1 and 4, this new Icon (lets say above his head, like a buff) will appear every time when DN will be ready to use Annihilation in his next turn to give ppl warning, cos that cooldown is misleading and confusing. 3.) Remove Isolated debuff from phase 4 completely as long as DN or Sion is still alive - make it applicable only when Traya stays alone in the end.