Just throwing this out there- I don’t think JML ultimate was very well thought out. Under JML lead you get a new ability (much like thrawn/jkl) to build JML ultimate (which can’t be activated until you hit 100%- unlike Slkr which can be used at three intervals) you must use the leader special to spread Jedi lessons and built ultimate charge. However in doing so- you can’t use Gas/JKL/JKR abilities. If you choose to use their specials - you don’t gain Jedi lessons and don’t gain ultimate charge. If you DONT use their abilities it’s a loss. You simply cannot ignore the function of their kits to build the ultimate. It’s a very poor design. The leadership ability calls an assist and grants Jedi lesson (+mastery). But that isn’t enough to outweigh using their abilities. So it’s nigh useless to even go for his ultimate (and lose) rather just ignore the ultimate and use their specials (JKL having a phenomenal kit) and win. It really is a very poor design- and the cost involved is extremely steep to warrant benching the JML lead and ultimate- and running him under a better JKL lead. Just a bizarre release of a GL.

The ability has a cooldown, so you will have opportunities to use their skills.Rey also has a 100% charge on ultimate, I'm not sure why the comparison to SLKR is needed.The special also has a significant damage that a player can mod to really maximize the damage on.Not saying there is no room for it to be better, but these points dont really seem like the key issue.Yes you are ignoring those abilities to some extent, but they will also be much nicer when they get Legacy and have 100% more mastery.

"Kyno;c-2182923" wrote:The ability has a cooldown, so you will have opportunities to use their skills.Rey also has a 100% charge on ultimate, I'm not sure why the comparison to SLKR is needed.The special also has a significant damage that a player can mod to really maximize the damage on.Not saying there is no room for it to be better, but these points dont really seem like the key issue.Yes you are ignoring those abilities to some extent, but they will also be much nicer when they get Legacy and have 100% more mastery. Just my own arena testing and trying to get to his ultimate as fast as possible- you have to use the leader special. But that means you skip - JKL stun, jkr mark, gas daze/armor shred. It’s the beginning of a battle I don’t know if you’ve used it or not- but I’ve tried. If you focus just on getting his ultimate - you can’t get it before Rey, see, or Slkr get theirs . It’s not possible even with speed mods .

It does have a cooldown- but every character can use on opener- (and they have too if you even want a chance at the ultimate)

"MaricSkywalker;c-2182945" wrote:I’ve tried to answer your arguments as you stated them. I don’t know if you haven’t used them? Or fought them? But your arguments are not true. Even getting to 3 stacks is 60% mastery (20% per stack) not 100%. But that doesn’t matter as it’s useless. It’s the slowest ultimate. And to build it fastest- you have to skip your best toons abilities. It’s amazing for LSTB- but it’s absolutely awful in TW/GAC/ARENASlowest ultimate and the lowest mastery gain of the four

The primary issue is that the first 2 GLs had their ultimates charge passively - so their teams can perform normally. It was a poor design choice to switch and require "active" ultimate charging that in effect, neuterrs the rest of your teams' kits.

SLKR/JML owner thoughts on his Ultimate

70 Replies

NyKynoe
5 years ago
The ability has a cooldown, so you will have opportunities to use their skills.

Rey also has a 100% charge on ultimate, I'm not sure why the comparison to SLKR is needed.

The special also has a significant damage that a player can mod to really maximize the damage on.

Not saying there is no room for it to be better, but these points dont really seem like the key issue.

Yes you are ignoring those abilities to some extent, but they will also be much nicer when they get Legacy and have 100% more mastery.
bargeek13
New Veteran
5 years ago
"Kyno;c-2182923" wrote:
The ability has a cooldown, so you will have opportunities to use their skills.

Rey also has a 100% charge on ultimate, I'm not sure why the comparison to SLKR is needed.

The special also has a significant damage that a player can mod to really maximize the damage on.

Not saying there is no room for it to be better, but these points dont really seem like the key issue.

Yes you are ignoring those abilities to some extent, but they will also be much nicer when they get Legacy and have 100% more mastery.

Just my own arena testing and trying to get to his ultimate as fast as possible- you have to use the leader special. But that means you skip - JKL stun, jkr mark, gas daze/armor shred. It’s the beginning of a battle I don’t know if you’ve used it or not- but I’ve tried. If you focus just on getting his ultimate - you can’t get it before Rey, see, or Slkr get theirs . It’s not possible even with speed mods .
bargeek13
New Veteran
5 years ago
I had to swap to jkr or jkl lead and completely ignore his ultimate to even beat SEE and REY
bargeek13
New Veteran
5 years ago
It does have a cooldown- but every character can use on opener- (and they have too if you even want a chance at the ultimate)
bargeek13
New Veteran
5 years ago
Reys ultimate charges 5 times as fast as JML spamming his lead special to even try and get it.
bargeek13
New Veteran
5 years ago
The dmg from using his lead special is insignificant when you factor in skipping their specials- which you HAVE to use to try and win. You cannot skip Mark, mass stun, or aoe daze and expect to win. Trust me I’ve tried :)
bargeek13
New Veteran
5 years ago
I’ve tried to answer your arguments as you stated them. I don’t know if you haven’t used them? Or fought them? But your arguments are not true. Even getting to 3 stacks is 60% mastery (20% per stack) not 100%. But that doesn’t matter as it’s useless. It’s the slowest ultimate. And to build it fastest- you have to skip your best toons abilities. It’s amazing for LSTB- but it’s absolutely awful in TW/GAC/ARENA
NotRealUltra
Legend
5 years ago
"MaricSkywalker;c-2182945" wrote:
I’ve tried to answer your arguments as you stated them. I don’t know if you haven’t used them? Or fought them? But your arguments are not true. Even getting to 3 stacks is 60% mastery (20% per stack) not 100%. But that doesn’t matter as it’s useless. It’s the slowest ultimate. And to build it fastest- you have to skip your best toons abilities. It’s amazing for LSTB- but it’s absolutely awful in TW/GAC/ARENA
Slowest ultimate and the lowest mastery gain of the four
Nikoms565
5 years ago
The primary issue is that the first 2 GLs had their ultimates charge passively - so their teams can perform normally. It was a poor design choice to switch and require "active" ultimate charging that in effect, neuterrs the rest of your teams' kits.
maximumbanana18
New Spectator
5 years ago
I’m taking the view that both of the new gls want to instruct/coerce you into doing what they want you to do/seem best/teach you/gives them power and so there ultimates are structured the way they are as a result of that. Almost like a nod to the characters in the films..

Just my thoughts.