TB battles: HRSoldier and HRScout [merged]

"Maegor;c-1232530" wrote:

"Riffinator;c-1232529" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232526" wrote:

"leef;c-1232518" wrote:
I'm slightly hopefull that the Hoth Rebel brothers will be farmable in the new store. It would make sence in a way.

Soldier has to be. It would be absurd if he wasn't.

right cause we NEED a new store full of Rebels

We do if g12 is locked behind them.

Why would they lock G12 behind Rebels? that doesnt make sense

"Riffinator;c-1232533" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232530" wrote:

"Riffinator;c-1232529" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232526" wrote:

"leef;c-1232518" wrote:
I'm slightly hopefull that the Hoth Rebel brothers will be farmable in the new store. It would make sence in a way.

Soldier has to be. It would be absurd if he wasn't.

right cause we NEED a new store full of Rebels

We do if g12 is locked behind them.

Why would they lock G12 behind Rebels? that doesnt make sense

because the gear needed for g12 is earned in TB. For maximum rewards in TB you'll probably need HRSoldier.

"Riffinator;c-1232533" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232530" wrote:

"Riffinator;c-1232529" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232526" wrote:

"leef;c-1232518" wrote:
I'm slightly hopefull that the Hoth Rebel brothers will be farmable in the new store. It would make sence in a way.

Soldier has to be. It would be absurd if he wasn't.

right cause we NEED a new store full of Rebels

We do if g12 is locked behind them.

Why would they lock G12 behind Rebels? that doesnt make sense

I don't know why they would do that, but they have. g12 items are obtained only through the TB store, and a lot of the missions in TB are locked behind very specific rebels.

"Liamtbqh;d-128090" wrote:
Where has it been confirmed that we need them? What for and how many *'s.
I mean having HRSoldier on a hard node is irritating especially since he's not that great so bit worried.

confirmed by the devs and datamine on redit

"leef;c-1232540" wrote:
For maximum rewards in TB you'll probably need HRSoldier.

Unlikely. The missions that require HRSo look like they have a lower difficulty version that you can complete if you don't have him. The reward for that mission looks like it's just TP toward starring that territory. But if you can amount enough TP through deployment and other missions, then you'll probably never miss HRSo there.
The only thing that's truly gated behind HRSo, at least on the TB map, is the special mission requiring CHan and HRSo at 7*. And they implied that ROLO shards (which I'm assuming is the reward for that mission) are also going to be available in the TB store.
This is all based on interpretation of a datamine, of course, so... caveat.

"CryMeARiver;c-1232551" wrote:

"leef;c-1232540" wrote:

"Riffinator;c-1232533" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232530" wrote:

"Riffinator;c-1232529" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232526" wrote:

"leef;c-1232518" wrote:
I'm slightly hopefull that the Hoth Rebel brothers will be farmable in the new store. It would make sence in a way.

Soldier has to be. It would be absurd if he wasn't.

right cause we NEED a new store full of Rebels

We do if g12 is locked behind them.

Why would they lock G12 behind Rebels? that doesnt make sense

because the gear needed for g12 is earned in TB. For maximum rewards in TB you'll probably need HRSoldier.

"StarSon;c-1232547" wrote:

"Riffinator;c-1232533" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232530" wrote:

"Riffinator;c-1232529" wrote:

"Maegor;c-1232526" wrote:

"leef;c-1232518" wrote:
I'm slightly hopefull that the Hoth Rebel brothers will be farmable in the new store. It would make sence in a way.

Soldier has to be. It would be absurd if he wasn't.

right cause we NEED a new store full of Rebels

We do if g12 is locked behind them.

Why would they lock G12 behind Rebels? that doesnt make sense

I don't know why they would do that, but they have. g12 items are obtained only through the TB store, and a lot of the missions in TB are locked behind very specific rebels.

Do you guys even think before you type? Maximum rewards is not the same as a paywall. Are toons in arena store or galactic war store locked behind a paywall because not everyone gets maximum rewards there either.

Of course I do. Do you? For all we know, it may not be possible to get even 1* on the final territories without these specific rebels. But, even if we don't, and we can get completion type rewards, we can only do so because of rebels. As you look through the data mine rebels are required on most of the battle missions.

From the data mine so far, there are 38 missions.

3 of those are special ops missions, 2 of which require 6* or more HRSoldier.

13 of those missions are platoon missions. None of those appear to require the hoth brothers. These likely are where the majority of players rosters fit in when CG talks about "bring your entire roster".

The remaining 22 missions are combat strike missions. Combat strike missions have 3 tiers. Think places of power, ewok events, etc (at least that is how I'm picturing it). Most players will be able to complete tier 1. Tiers 2 and 3 will be progressively more difficult. That means 66 total tiers for these 22 missions.

No tier 1 combat strike mission requires hoth bros. Though many requires 3-6* rebels, or light side, or ships, depending on the exact mission. That covers 22 tiers/missions.

Tier 2, 5 of the 22 tier 2 missions require on or the other hoth brother at 6* or more. (1 6*, 4 7*). Basically split between which one you need to complete tier 2. (3 for scount, 2 for soldier).

Tier 3. 5 of the 22 tier 3 missions requires both scout and soldier at 7*. The rest do not require either.

Given that, every player who has a handful of light side and/or rebels (and who doesn't if you've been playing for more than a few months) will be able to participate in tier 1.

That same group of players that can do tier 1 will be able to participate in 77% of tier 2 without either of those toons. And 90% if they have scout at 7* (the easy one to farm).

That same group of players can also participate in the same 77% of tier 3, but will require both at 7* to increase that amount.

What that all amounts too - you will be able to participate in ALL of the content (EXCEPT 2 special missions - which also have 7* CLS or Captain Han requirements) without the hoth brothers. You will be able to participate in 77% of the most challenging version of that content without the hoth brothers.

To put this in the perspective of raiding. Are there guilds that simply cannot raid? No. All guilds can raid. Are there any guilds that can't do heroic raids? Yes. Not all guilds can clear HRancor or HAAT.. That is a goal for them to strive for.

So, the knee jerk reactions that you won't be able to play or take part in TB battles based on not having the hoth brothers is an over reaction that is entirely unfounded.

Will you acquire gear, hoth han/leia, and hermit yoda shards faster if you have both at 7* along with lots of your guild mates? Yes, probably. Just like guilds that could start clearing HAAT immediately unlocked GK sooner than those that couldn't.

"StarSon;c-1232569" wrote:

Of course I do. Do you? For all we know, it may not be possible to get even 1* on the final territories without these specific rebels. But, even if we don't, and we can get completion type rewards, we can only do so because of rebels. As you look through the data mine rebels are required on most of the battle missions.

And yet your main source of TP to get those stars is likely not through missions, but through deployment, for which you can use all characters, not just LS or Rebel.

"Pyrefly;c-1232564" wrote:

"leef;c-1232540" wrote:
For maximum rewards in TB you'll probably need HRSoldier.

Unlikely. The missions that require HRSo look like they have a lower difficulty version that you can complete if you don't have him. The reward for that mission looks like it's just TP toward starring that territory. But if you can amount enough TP through deployment and other missions, then you'll probably never miss HRSo there.
The only thing that's truly gated behind HRSo, at least on the TB map, is the special mission requiring CHan and HRSo at 7*. And they implied that ROLO shards (which I'm assuming is the reward for that mission) are also going to be available in the TB store.
This is all based on interpretation of a datamine, of course, so... caveat.

i have more faith in HRSoldier being in the TB store than the reward that requires HRSoldier to get being in the TB store.
That first paragraph sounds good btw, i hope you're right.

"leef;c-1232588" wrote:

"Pyrefly;c-1232564" wrote:

"leef;c-1232540" wrote:
For maximum rewards in TB you'll probably need HRSoldier.

Unlikely. The missions that require HRSo look like they have a lower difficulty version that you can complete if you don't have him. The reward for that mission looks like it's just TP toward starring that territory. But if you can amount enough TP through deployment and other missions, then you'll probably never miss HRSo there.
The only thing that's truly gated behind HRSo, at least on the TB map, is the special mission requiring CHan and HRSo at 7*. And they implied that ROLO shards (which I'm assuming is the reward for that mission) are also going to be available in the TB store.
This is all based on interpretation of a datamine, of course, so... caveat.

i have more faith in HRSoldier being in the TB store than the reward that requires HRSoldier to get being in the TB store.
That first paragraph sounds good btw, i hope you're right.

Well, from the datamine, here are the text strings for phase 1 (with junk removed):

• TERRITORYHOTH_PHASE01_STRIKE01_DIFF01_DESC|Requirement: 3-Star Rebels Only, Maximum 3 Units. Rewards: 14700 GP (2200 GP on failure)
  
• TERRITORYHOTH_PHASE01_STRIKE01_DIFF02_DESC|Requirement: 6-Star Rebels Only, Hoth Rebel Scout, Maximum 4 Units. Rewards: 140000 GP (9400 GP on failure)
  
• TERRITORYHOTH_PHASE01_STRIKE01_DIFF03_DESC|Requirement: 7-Star Rebels Only, Hoth Rebel Scout, Hoth Rebel Soldier, Maximum 5 Units. Rewards: 233000 GP (11800 GP on failure)
  

The "DIFF01", "DIFF02", and "DIFF03" look like they're different difficulties (tiers). The basic tier only require Rebels, the middle tier requires HRScout for phases 1,3,5 and HRSoldier for phases 2,4,6. The highest tier requires both in all phases.
So to me, it sounds like people will at least be able to complete the lowest tier in all phases, even without either HRS. Granted, the increased GP rewards for the higher tiers is massive, but it's just GP, which you can also get by deploying really powerful DS characters, for example. :)