Thnx for nerfing Lord Vader

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332307" wrote:

"Devian;c-2332293" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332287" wrote:

"Devian;c-2332286" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332283" wrote:

"Devian;c-2332280" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332278" wrote:
It all depends on the lineup.
Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.

Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?

The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

The point, for the players, is that its another GL. If you have 6 GLs, and your GAC opponent only 5 GLs, then you have a very serious advantage, and thus much better chances of winning the match.
In the old times, with Squad arena being everything, this wouldn't be important, but now GAC is the most important aspect of the game, and having LV is much better than not having him.

From CG's perspective, its simply money, of course. More toons/gears/relic packs/crystals to be sold.

Yeah, yeah, having r7 Kit Fisto is also better than none. So what's his point? Beating Kylo on offense instead of JML?

A kit fisto will not beat your GAC opponents best non-GL team.
Lord Vader will.

He’s awful for offense because you will lose a million banners; unless I take him to solo like a jtr team I guess?

"Josh712;c-2332352" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332331" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2332325" wrote:

"Josh712;c-2332320" wrote:

"Devian;c-2332286" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332283" wrote:

"Devian;c-2332280" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332278" wrote:
It all depends on the lineup.
Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.

Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?

The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.

That would be a fine argument if they weren't throwing around "protecting players' investment" whenever they decide to ruin a counter. The simple fact is that LV needs the biggest investment. If their argument is more than just excuse, his power should match it.

LV is an investment, and it is protected by CG to avoid it being easily killed by various non-GL teams. That's the protection. The protection doesn't include making it the strongest GL ever.
Wether that's enough benefit for you to farm it, it's up to you.

LV is like buying a super expensive Ferrari. Does it have its moments? Of course. Its obviously a great char, high quality.
But is it the best? No, definitely not for me. It's annoyingly loud, preventing talk inside, there's no room for any baggage, its very costy to fuel it/repair it, it hits every bump due to being so low.. Its kinda **** if you're looking at the whole picture.
But you have the option to buy it or not. If that's not what you want, don't whine about it, simply don't buy it.

Couldn’t have worded this any better. People will whine because that’s what they do, you will never benefit the whole consumer base. A lot of people are still happy with lord vader, yes he aint the best but he’s nowhere near the worst. To be honest I can’t believe threads like this still exist, LV came out a few months ago and it’s like people are blindsided that he aint the best GL ever lol.

Who would you put as the worst gl? I think there is a strong argument for him being the worst. The salty part is that he cost the most for being close to the worst if not the worst.

One of the things Lord Vader requires is absolute maximum relic levels on the team. A lot of people don't seem to understand that but the way his mastery increase works it takes a couple r8s at least to achieve full value. Whereas with Kenobi for example he's still going to ramp up damage no matter what

So that in mind I find most of the people who complain super hard about LV being trash are people who are running him with a couple r3s on the team and that genuinely does make him really mediocre

Now if you want to complain about that being a crappy thing then sure, I get it, but the character itself is totally fine if put in the right scenario (again that being LV with a bunch of r8-r9 teammates)

Fixed a bug and now LV is even worse than before ?

"SparkyBurns;c-2332409" wrote:
One of the things Lord Vader requires is absolute maximum relic levels on the team. A lot of people don't seem to understand that but the way his mastery increase works it takes a couple r8s at least to achieve full value. Whereas with Kenobi for example he's still going to ramp up damage no matter what

So that in mind I find most of the people who complain super hard about LV being trash are people who are running him with a couple r3s on the team and that genuinely does make him really mediocre

Now if you want to complain about that being a crappy thing then sure, I get it, but the character itself is totally fine if put in the right scenario (again that being LV with a bunch of r8-r9 teammates)

Wouldn’t be surprised if LVs 2 non-GL counters still work against a full R8/9 team.

"Sithlords_Inc;c-2332381" wrote:

"LukeDukem8;c-2332356" wrote:
Technically this was a bug fix, not a nerf. They accidentally made him better than he should have been.

If you believe it was an accident. Wouldnt surprise me if this is a new bussines strategy to make character look better when they're new while allowing CG to tone them down before the next big thing comes out. They did a similar thing with Malevolence not too long before Executor was released.

It's not new "strategy". This happened a lot with introduction of new meta: NS, JKR (Jolee), DR (fBastila, Malak), Negotiator (Anakin's ship), Rey team (after owning FO, devs buffed SLKR 3-4 times in a row and then few buffs here and there, most buffed character in history of swgoh), QGJ's omicron Chimera (Tie Reaper played with TM), Cheeze meta (Chirrut), R2d2 (thrawn got buff after R2d2's event).
Well, this happened often even with non-meta
But It's funny that character which is supposed to be a new "trump card" gets nerfed just so the favorite "SKLR" can have a better chance at him, and other teams like IT

"SemiGod;c-2332423" wrote:

"SparkyBurns;c-2332409" wrote:
One of the things Lord Vader requires is absolute maximum relic levels on the team. A lot of people don't seem to understand that but the way his mastery increase works it takes a couple r8s at least to achieve full value. Whereas with Kenobi for example he's still going to ramp up damage no matter what

So that in mind I find most of the people who complain super hard about LV being trash are people who are running him with a couple r3s on the team and that genuinely does make him really mediocre

Now if you want to complain about that being a crappy thing then sure, I get it, but the character itself is totally fine if put in the right scenario (again that being LV with a bunch of r8-r9 teammates)

Wouldn’t be surprised if LVs 2 non-GL counters still work against a full R8/9 team.

If a team is not the best on defense my advice is to use them on offense

"Devian;c-2332286" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332283" wrote:

"Devian;c-2332280" wrote:

"Darth_Etern4l;c-2332278" wrote:
It all depends on the lineup.
Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.

Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?

The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

I think the problem is clear:

Capital Games got far too greedy with the Lord Vader requirements.

You can't have it both ways, CG. Either we have a balanced game where, as you stated at the outset of GL release, all GLs are roughly on par with each other,

OR you have ever increasing requirements encouraging more and more spending, and have to make the latest the greatest to compensate. (or risk a situation like Lord Vader with all the whales screaming about how underwhelming he is for the requirements)

I know which one the players will choose.
You need to keep your heads and stop thinking with just the customer's wallets- after all, wasn't the nerf to Darth Vader and GAS vs GLs to "ensure the future health of the game" ? It's all for nothing if you start making ever-increasing power tiers of characters.

"SparkyBurns;c-2332409" wrote:
One of the things Lord Vader requires is absolute maximum relic levels on the team. A lot of people don't seem to understand that but the way his mastery increase works it takes a couple r8s at least to achieve full value.

Still hoping for R9? Here, bet he can auto him at this point
https://youtu.be/aLxkebUoDk4