Upcoming Change to Darth Malak [MERGE]

"Roopehunter;c-1836471" wrote:

"jkray622;c-1836463" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1836454" wrote:

The DR team is meant to debuff themselves, losing defense and tenacity constantly. Thats it. Its not supposed to also give 5 x 25% tm to the enemy team every turn.
That is an exploit.

Shock is there for offense synergy. It makes sense thematically.

In the context of a multiplayer game, an "exploit" is considered gaining a personal advantage over other players through the use of a known in-game bug.

Using Palpatine squads to defeat Darth Revan is not an exploit - it is literally how the skills were designed.

It wasnt designed that way. The devs clearly said that it was not the intention.

If a mechanic is against the will of the developer and you're using it to profit yourself (get more crystal payout), thats exactly an exploit.

Yeah ok. Everyone seen this coming but them and they released it anyways. Says a lot

I spent money to gear up marauder and sith assasin, as they were both sith empire. Now with malak changed, they will be pretty useless at the top of the arena. Can we expect gear refund?

"Roopehunter;c-1836454" wrote:

"Geshtianna;c-1836391" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1836029" wrote:

"Nauros;c-1836022" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1836016" wrote:

"Ikky2win;c-1835956" wrote:
Everyone could see this coming. If you couldn’t, you weren’t paying attention. I for one love the change. Malak is the single hardest character to get. It requires two Journey characters, 8 other characters with at least 17,500 power, and one of the hardest, if not the hardest, events to date. Then once you actually have Malak, you have to spend 70,000 guild currency to 7 star him and he takes 4 of the new gear pieces which equates to 11,200 crystals. It shouldn’t be countered by a meta/character from a year and a half ago. What is the point of obtaining these super hard characters if they are super easy to counter?

Im with this guy.
I love the changes.
SAss is still great against anything, but the very top meta. Seems reasonable for a character that was released years ago.

Do you also love the precedent it sets, that when a ftp countermeta emerges, it gets immediately stomped to the ground?
Or the message sent by such a quick reaction for this while some bugs are left to fester for months?

Yes. Arena should be dominated by the most powerful team that requires great planning to get first occasion or $$$.
Copying someone who found an exploit with a character that everyone has, is not equal value as great planning.

Everyone hates bugs, and this game has a lot. I dont see how Malak makes CG's QA process worse.

It's not an exploit. The DR team's abilities revolve around EP's signature debuff. Why was shock chosen as one of the key mechanics for SE abilities if EP is not supposed to benefit from it?

The DR team is meant to debuff themselves, losing defense and tenacity constantly. Thats it. Its not supposed to also give 5 x 25% tm to the enemy team every turn.
That is an exploit.

Shock is there for offense synergy. It makes sense thematically.

When you see "shock", the first thing you should think of is Palpatine. His basic ability defines the mechanic.

"Geshtianna;c-1836494" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1836454" wrote:

"Geshtianna;c-1836391" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1836029" wrote:

"Nauros;c-1836022" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1836016" wrote:

"Ikky2win;c-1835956" wrote:
Everyone could see this coming. If you couldn’t, you weren’t paying attention. I for one love the change. Malak is the single hardest character to get. It requires two Journey characters, 8 other characters with at least 17,500 power, and one of the hardest, if not the hardest, events to date. Then once you actually have Malak, you have to spend 70,000 guild currency to 7 star him and he takes 4 of the new gear pieces which equates to 11,200 crystals. It shouldn’t be countered by a meta/character from a year and a half ago. What is the point of obtaining these super hard characters if they are super easy to counter?

Im with this guy.
I love the changes.
SAss is still great against anything, but the very top meta. Seems reasonable for a character that was released years ago.

Do you also love the precedent it sets, that when a ftp countermeta emerges, it gets immediately stomped to the ground?
Or the message sent by such a quick reaction for this while some bugs are left to fester for months?

Yes. Arena should be dominated by the most powerful team that requires great planning to get first occasion or $$$.
Copying someone who found an exploit with a character that everyone has, is not equal value as great planning.

Everyone hates bugs, and this game has a lot. I dont see how Malak makes CG's QA process worse.

It's not an exploit. The DR team's abilities revolve around EP's signature debuff. Why was shock chosen as one of the key mechanics for SE abilities if EP is not supposed to benefit from it?

The DR team is meant to debuff themselves, losing defense and tenacity constantly. Thats it. Its not supposed to also give 5 x 25% tm to the enemy team every turn.
That is an exploit.

Shock is there for offense synergy. It makes sense thematically.

When you see "shock", the first thing you should think of is Palpatine. His basic ability defines the mechanic.

Chronologically, Kotor used shock much earlier than palpatine did.

"Robomechazoid;c-1836491" wrote:
I spent money to gear up marauder and sith assasin, as they were both sith empire. Now with malak changed, they will be pretty useless at the top of the arena. Can we expect gear refund?

That may not be in vain yet - the next fleet meta will probably be sith, requiring exactly these characters.

"SydneyRoughD;c-1835966" wrote:

"AnnerDoon;c-1835964" wrote:

"SydneyRoughD;c-1835962" wrote:

"AnnerDoon;c-1835921" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-1835879" wrote:
So all the stuff @CG_Carrie said in the road ahead 5 days ago about "variety in the meta" and "more balance" - was that a mistake? Or just an outright lie?

It was obviously a lie.

The cake is a lie

There is no cake.

There really was a cake

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"Crazygone510;c-1836450" wrote:

"CoastalJames;c-1836427" wrote:
I know I'm not the sharpest stick in the woods but I'm confused...

Genuine question - what point is there farming any characters anymore?

Once they're good, they get nerfed. Am I missing something? Apart from the fairly obvious fact that CG/EA don't want anyone farming characters anymore...they want them buying characters.

Exactly. And at this point, who would buy anything from these guys after all the changes they make after release? I'm a small business owner and even I have no idea what they are doing anymore. You want to keep customers happy, not slap them in the the face after they paid you!

You gonna buy something or just stand there and bleed?
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"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1836417" wrote:

"SmashItUp;c-1836408" wrote:
To be honest I don't even care if they back off from this nonsense decision.
The way the game is driven is quite clear, they push the limit (or further) and roll back when goes wrong?
Contradiction on every single decision?
There are ways to make money without going that far, I wouldn't sleep at night doing unethical calls like these

If they were tourquing a bolt on an engine, they would just strip it and back it off half a turn. Why bother with specs.

Reddit is catching fire, one thread has almost 900 upvotes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/bdnf33/cgs_latest_fixshows_they_dont_care_for_the_games/

Funny they don't make mega threads there.. lol

Megathreads are great! Everyone doesn’t need their own soapbox to say the same thing when they can say it at one place. Reduces clutter and we can talk about other things too

"Crynus;c-1835542" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1835532" wrote:

"Orleans;c-1835524" wrote:
Finally mods matter a bit more. Thanks for that! Drevan with Malak getting hit by G9 Palp shouldn't happen at all.

Poor whale, don't like having a counter to your shiny new toy , lmao

smh at entitled ftp.

starting to miss cyan

"Roopehunter;c-1836471" wrote:

"jkray622;c-1836463" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1836454" wrote:

The DR team is meant to debuff themselves, losing defense and tenacity constantly. Thats it. Its not supposed to also give 5 x 25% tm to the enemy team every turn.
That is an exploit.

Shock is there for offense synergy. It makes sense thematically.

In the context of a multiplayer game, an "exploit" is considered gaining a personal advantage over other players through the use of a known in-game bug.

Using Palpatine squads to defeat Darth Revan is not an exploit - it is literally how the skills were designed.

It wasnt designed that way. The devs clearly said that it was not the intention.

If a mechanic is against the will of the developer and you're using it to profit yourself (get more crystal payout), thats exactly an exploit.

@Roopehunter You're basing that off of a single line in the original Malak rework post about him "not performing as intended." You have zero knowledge of what that intended performance was and it has yet to be clarified.

To be intellectually honest with yourself, if the intention was for Revan led Sith Empire to mitigate the effects of EPs lead - DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN DEBUFFS - then such a mitigating clause would be part of a Darth Revan unique, not the "final" character to complete the prescribed meta.

Feel free defending this all you want, for whatever personal reasons you have, but at least be honest about the reasons you're doing it. Calling an existing leadership skill an exploit is either ignorant of the definition of exploit or willfully dishonest. I think they underestimated the significance of the TM gain and thought the speed boost from ferocity would overcome it. Ooops. Once their play testers (and by that, I mean the player base) got a hold of it, things turned out differently than expected.

I have Malak. I have a dog in this fight and I still think it's a horrible decision and points to a decision making process that is bereft of good intent.