Update on the Finn/Threepio Raid Interaction: Resulting Finn Modifications [MEGA]

TLDR
I vehemently object.
C3PO broke your fancy raid, not Finn. Unacceptable.

"Dhuriya24;c-1777292" wrote:
I haven't even read the full kit but when I saw 3% it's obvious that his kit is pure garbage now, He was the only character that could easily take out Traya and stood a chance against Revan (who still has barely any reliable counters besides faster Revan) and now its gone to hell because it took them 2 months to come up with a terrible solution.

If Finn still has viability against Traya and Revan without team members needing to be 330 speed I will def apologize, but I highly doubt thats the case.

I doubt as well. This change is garbage

"Kyno;c-1777283" wrote:

"mvmss;c-1777279" wrote:
Does the rework beat Revan?

That is all I'm interested in and I couldn't care less about Finn in raids (HAAT, srsly???).

Yes, I do have Revan and I think Revan mirror matches are probably the worst since I started playing this game, long ago.

So, the question is, does the new Finn beat Revan?

no. they are too fast and will resist TMR.

even against FO, it looks questionable due to the speed they have.

Right, though, here's what CG said:

"These changes do not drastically alter the performance of the Finn-led Resistance squad in PvP, but his changes do offer the team some additional utility and a slight improvement in their PvP presence. With ramping damage now present on Finn’s basic ability and his 2nd special ability, the longer he can stay alive and the more turns he can take, the more potent he becomes. Determination goes a long way in making this a reality, as it provides not only an additional means of spreading damage around the team by providing Finn with the ability to Taunt, but also grants him Retribution which can give him a few free hits to ramp up damage on his basic ability. While these changes haven’t brought the Resistance squad into the current competitive meta, they can more handily dispose of teams such as Kylo Ren (Unmasked)-led First Order and General Kenobi-led Jedi."

My sole interest in ZFinn is pvp, giving me a somewhat reliable and fast way of beating Revan.

It seems that does drastically change his pvp performance. And it's not just against "one team".

Resistance squad into the current competitive meta, they can more handily dispose of teams such as Kylo Ren (Unmasked)-led First Order and General Kenobi-led Jedi.
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We think this should resolve the Finn-Threepio interaction moving forward. As our internal testing has shown that Finn matches or exceeds where he was prior to C-3PO's launch.


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So my under gear 8 resistance should still be able to beat a gear 12 kru squad or a Kenobi squad? Is that what your saying? And you literally make the biggest change to a zeta ever and this is the one were you say "you gotta keep it." I already dismantled my mods on those units they'll sit on the shelf like 80 percent of my roster does now.

"mvmss;c-1777297" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1777283" wrote:

"mvmss;c-1777279" wrote:
Does the rework beat Revan?

That is all I'm interested in and I couldn't care less about Finn in raids (HAAT, srsly???).

Yes, I do have Revan and I think Revan mirror matches are probably the worst since I started playing this game, long ago.

So, the question is, does the new Finn beat Revan?

no. they are too fast and will resist TMR.

even against FO, it looks questionable due to the speed they have.

Right, though, here's what CG said:

"These changes do not drastically alter the performance of the Finn-led Resistance squad in PvP, but his changes do offer the team some additional utility and a slight improvement in their PvP presence. With ramping damage now present on Finn’s basic ability and his 2nd special ability, the longer he can stay alive and the more turns he can take, the more potent he becomes. Determination goes a long way in making this a reality, as it provides not only an additional means of spreading damage around the team by providing Finn with the ability to Taunt, but also grants him Retribution which can give him a few free hits to ramp up damage on his basic ability. While these changes haven’t brought the Resistance squad into the current competitive meta, they can more handily dispose of teams such as Kylo Ren (Unmasked)-led First Order and General Kenobi-led Jedi."

My sole interest in ZFinn is pvp, giving me a somewhat reliable and fast way of beating Revan.

It seems that does drastically change his pvp performance. And it's not just against "one team".

Unfortunately - there’s only one team that matters in PvP - and that’s Revan.

At least if we are talking about squad arena.

I don't even have the Zeta on Finn, but I think others who want a refund should get it, period. The Zeta does NOT work like it did before, it is a significant nerf to the Zeta in particular.

I mean it's not even close to what it was before. Before, the whole team got 35%TM. Now, 3%, really, 3? LOL 3, we are talking 3 that is not a typo, 3 right??? and no refund?

Wow, that is a low blow CG. TM is arguably the most important aspect in the game, TM > speed for crying out loud, and you nerf if from 35% gain down to THREE with no refund?

So while the rest of his kit might be as good, or better (if true), the Zeta is NOT as good as before, simple.

"Shalazar;c-1777306" wrote:
CG - “These changes do not drastically alter the performance of the Finn-led Resistance squad in PvP”

Lies. Less than half the TM boost (Max 15 vs 35 always). TM reduction on ONE character is nothing compared to TM boost in entire team!!! You can double/triple the TM boost per Resistance and it still nerfs the loop!!!

Lies is correct

Tell them with your wallets it’s the only thing that will work. Don’t spend a nickel on the game for a while. That will get their attention,

"mvmss;c-1777297" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1777283" wrote:

"mvmss;c-1777279" wrote:
Does the rework beat Revan?

That is all I'm interested in and I couldn't care less about Finn in raids (HAAT, srsly???).

Yes, I do have Revan and I think Revan mirror matches are probably the worst since I started playing this game, long ago.

So, the question is, does the new Finn beat Revan?

no. they are too fast and will resist TMR.

even against FO, it looks questionable due to the speed they have.

Right, though, here's what CG said:

"These changes do not drastically alter the performance of the Finn-led Resistance squad in PvP, but his changes do offer the team some additional utility and a slight improvement in their PvP presence. With ramping damage now present on Finn’s basic ability and his 2nd special ability, the longer he can stay alive and the more turns he can take, the more potent he becomes. Determination goes a long way in making this a reality, as it provides not only an additional means of spreading damage around the team by providing Finn with the ability to Taunt, but also grants him Retribution which can give him a few free hits to ramp up damage on his basic ability. While these changes haven’t brought the Resistance squad into the current competitive meta, they can more handily dispose of teams such as Kylo Ren (Unmasked)-led First Order and General Kenobi-led Jedi."

My sole interest in ZFinn is pvp, giving me a somewhat reliable and fast way of beating Revan.

It seems that does drastically change his pvp performance. And it's not just against "one team".

There is more to PvP than arena. There are more teams used in PvP content than Revan.

so changing the interaction with a single (or 2 teams) is not a drastic change to their PvP performance.

I dont see him getting enough hits to make the bonus damage mean anything. I also dont see the TM gain against revan being enough to counter all the speed and TM gain on a revan team.

I could be wrong about FO, but to get it going before you only needed Poe to be faster, now you will probably need more speed in general. so while it may be doable, its likely going to need changes to the whole team to be able to "handily dispose" of teams you could take down before.

IMHO

skeptically optimistic about this rework. I will reserve judgement for when I have a chance to see it in action.