Vader is Vader

Agree. Vader is easily the most iconic character of Star Wars. He deserves the current spot.

"Xcrit9;d-232078" wrote:
I'm someone who has both GLs with that said Vader is Vader and you should not NERF this Vader is the ultimate GL

Agree. Vader should be this good and he should stay this good.

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134144" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134139" wrote:

"Xcrit9;d-232078" wrote:
I'm someone who has both GLs with that said Vader is Vader and you should not NERF this Vader is the ultimate GL

Agree. Vader should be this good and he should stay this good.

And whats the purpose of a GL char like Rey than, who needs unbelievable more resources to get? To be steamrolled by a F2P toon that everyone has since ages? Cool logic..

Vader should always be this good. In the movies, he is an overall better, and more iconic character than rey and kylo. CG just happened to rework Vader after they released GL's a couple months ago.

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134159" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134148" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134144" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134139" wrote:

"Xcrit9;d-232078" wrote:
I'm someone who has both GLs with that said Vader is Vader and you should not NERF this Vader is the ultimate GL

Agree. Vader should be this good and he should stay this good.

And whats the purpose of a GL char like Rey than, who needs unbelievable more resources to get? To be steamrolled by a F2P toon that everyone has since ages? Cool logic..

Vader should always be this good. In the movies, he is an overall better, and more iconic character than rey and kylo. CG just happened to rework Vader after they released GL's a couple months ago.

This is not a movie, this is SWGOH - a mobile game.
Yes, Vader should be that good - or even better (I dont care) if he would be a GALATIC LEGEND char as well, with the same amount of work and dedication to get as for GL Rey. Than, yes than it would be absolutely OK.

But this situation is totally different: Everyone has Vader, I have him 7* since 3 or 4 years .. he is just there. And out of nothing they put him on TOP of the hardest to get char in this game (GL Rey) in arena.
This is
a) totally unlogic to how Galactic Legends chars where presented by CG - a GL Legend should never be beaten by a 5 year old F2P toon everybody simple has in his pockets.
b) totally unfair to the players who put countless of resources into the game to unlock Rey

Really not so hard to understand .. is it?

but yes, they buff GLK :D .. omg

The whole point of this game is to have characters BASED ON THE MOVIE. Merciless Target is based on the scene from rogue one. Many of other abilities that characters have are based on the scenes from the movies.

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.

Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game. I could be farming for Revan and then they release GL's after I put tons of resources into Revan. Oh well, thats how the game works, you don't know if they are going to release a new character or rework an old one.

A road ahead would really help so people know if something new is coming and not to pool all their resources into a character that is going to immediately have a new counter...

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134144" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134139" wrote:

"Xcrit9;d-232078" wrote:
I'm someone who has both GLs with that said Vader is Vader and you should not NERF this Vader is the ultimate GL

Agree. Vader should be this good and he should stay this good.

And whats the purpose of a GL char like Rey than, who needs unbelievable more resources to get? To be steamrolled by a F2P toon that everyone has since ages? Cool logic..

QQ. Technically even the GLs are F2P.... It'll just take a LOT longer to farm them.

"Slippyfist;c-2134183" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134144" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134139" wrote:

"Xcrit9;d-232078" wrote:
I'm someone who has both GLs with that said Vader is Vader and you should not NERF this Vader is the ultimate GL

Agree. Vader should be this good and he should stay this good.

And whats the purpose of a GL char like Rey than, who needs unbelievable more resources to get? To be steamrolled by a F2P toon that everyone has since ages? Cool logic..

QQ. Technically even the GLs are F2P.... It'll just take a LOT longer to farm them.

Which is exactly the issue. I'm a hoarder, and it still took me 3 months to get the gear ready for Rey, and another 2 weeks after to get her tickets, and another month to get her ultimate mats. You know how much effort was put into obtaining Vader? None, because he's an achievements character that you get naturally. And I only had to gear him to g13, not 12 others (8 of which are completely useless).

And still, Vader is not really the issue. It's the level at which CG hates Rey. She was already far worse than Kylo, and then they release this rework (which I love) and every long time player now has a viable Rey counter. Meanwhile, they're going to buff SLKR AGAIN, so the only way to beat him reliably will be with ... what, exactly?

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134175" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134168" wrote:


The whole point of this game is to have characters BASED ON THE MOVIE. Merciless Target is based on the scene from rogue one. Many of other abilities that characters have are based on the scenes from the movies.

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.

Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game. I could be farming for Revan and then they release GL's after I put tons of resources into Revan. Oh well, thats how the game works, you don't know if they are going to release a new character or rework an old one.

A road ahead would really help so people know if something new is coming and not to pool all their resources into a character that is going to immediately have a new counter...

GL should only be beatable by other GL setups or at least by newly introduced Legends you need to unlock first (which would be already hard to understand).

Most ignorant comment I have ever read on this forum for ages. If the GLs' purpose of existence is what you describe here, then I'm almost certain this game would have experienced the biggest exodus ever when the GLs got released.

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134240" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134220" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134175" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134168" wrote:


The whole point of this game is to have characters BASED ON THE MOVIE. Merciless Target is based on the scene from rogue one. Many of other abilities that characters have are based on the scenes from the movies.

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.

Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game. I could be farming for Revan and then they release GL's after I put tons of resources into Revan. Oh well, thats how the game works, you don't know if they are going to release a new character or rework an old one.

A road ahead would really help so people know if something new is coming and not to pool all their resources into a character that is going to immediately have a new counter...

Sorry.. no, this is so wrong.
CG cannot introduce Galatic Legends chars and announce them as super hard to get & super powerful toons .. and let them beat by a F2P toon that everyone has. No, and no. This is totally wrong and completely destroys the logic of GL chars. GL should only be beatable by other GL setups or at least by newly introduced Legends you need to unlock first (which would be already hard to understand).

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.
No, because you would need to unlock him as a new GL - the same as you needed to unlock GL Rey. Otherwise again the whole GL story would not make sense if you just convert an already existing char into a GL char for free.


Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game.
Yes, but also NO. Vader is no new char, he is F2P since ages and should never be steamroll the super hard to get GL chars. End of story.

So they would take vader away from everyone, I don't think so. It also wouldn't make any sense to create a new vader that is just called a Galactic Legend. Then you basically have two Vaders who are the same but one is a GL and what CG would have to make up new abilities for the GL Vader that aren't the same as regular Vader.

Also, are you implying that GL's should forever always be the meta??? If GL's are always going to be the best, then what is the point of releasing new characters that aren't GL's.

Third, you missed the part where I said if they reworked an old character. Also, Vader doesn't steamroll a GL team. Vader can also only be efficient on offense, not defense. So if Vader is on defense, GL's would beat him.

1 - Why would they need to take Vader away from everyone?
Come on ... its not a new concept in this game that you have multiple version of a char in the game. How many Hans do we have? How many Lukes do we have? How many Reys do we have.
For sure they can introduce a new GL Vader as a second / new version of Vader.

2 - And yes, GL should be at least for a loooooong time an integral part of meta. Thats why they are called Galatic Legends and that why they are super hard to get .. right.
Again, what is the purpose of introducing those super hard to get toons if they suddenly get outbeat by a F2P char everybody has since ages? Still no anwer on that..

3 - Come on, he steamrolls over her. In the multiple videos you can see that Vader wipes out Rey teams without getting a single scratch on his team .. totally unlogic, even if its "only" on the offensive side.

In short: Making a old - easy available - F2P toon that everyone has since ages over night better than the ultra hard to get GL Rey is nonesense .. really don't understand why this is so hard to admit.

Admit what? That Rey has a counter? That originally all the Rey users were literally laughing out loud at players who went for Kylo? They were wrong to do so so quickly. After a few days players figured out Kylo could finish the HSTR raid with 1 team. Maybe we should all pause before freaking out over Rey having a new Counter.

That being said. I doubt it will change...it’s the new normal. ;) But Vader isn’t a Free toon by any means. He still needs to be Reliced (for Luke, so there is some value to finishing him before the other reqs) and geared and he has 3 zetas. You need zetas around him and other geared chars to compete vs Rey. And not for nothing and possiblly the real point of this ramble...but Rey teams are using Jedi right now...I’d be willing to bet a full Resistance team might be what the devs wanted to see...I’d bet a team is found within the week that makes it harder for a weaker Vader team to beat it. Plus beating a team doesn’t make the O team Meta unless other teams can not beat it. Swapping your team out for a defense team proves the team isn’t “meta”.

There have been plenty of players saying their arena shard experience is unique. Some shards have plenty of Rey’s towards the top and others have Kylo. CG knows about all the shards, not just mine and yours and maybe they’ve based these recent changes because of all that data.

Or maybe they hate Rey. I know I did after the final film. She never really did anything. Kylo’s redemption arc was powerful and amazing and really the only thread worth pulling from the entire Sequel trilogy. This game has been slanted towards the LS for too long. It’s time for the Darkside to become the most powerful side on the holotables. :: laughs absolutely ::

"Vuko;c-2134308" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134240" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134220" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134175" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134168" wrote:


The whole point of this game is to have characters BASED ON THE MOVIE. Merciless Target is based on the scene from rogue one. Many of other abilities that characters have are based on the scenes from the movies.

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.

Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game. I could be farming for Revan and then they release GL's after I put tons of resources into Revan. Oh well, thats how the game works, you don't know if they are going to release a new character or rework an old one.

A road ahead would really help so people know if something new is coming and not to pool all their resources into a character that is going to immediately have a new counter...

Sorry.. no, this is so wrong.
CG cannot introduce Galatic Legends chars and announce them as super hard to get & super powerful toons .. and let them beat by a F2P toon that everyone has. No, and no. This is totally wrong and completely destroys the logic of GL chars. GL should only be beatable by other GL setups or at least by newly introduced Legends you need to unlock first (which would be already hard to understand).

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.
No, because you would need to unlock him as a new GL - the same as you needed to unlock GL Rey. Otherwise again the whole GL story would not make sense if you just convert an already existing char into a GL char for free.


Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game.
Yes, but also NO. Vader is no new char, he is F2P since ages and should never be steamroll the super hard to get GL chars. End of story.

So they would take vader away from everyone, I don't think so. It also wouldn't make any sense to create a new vader that is just called a Galactic Legend. Then you basically have two Vaders who are the same but one is a GL and what CG would have to make up new abilities for the GL Vader that aren't the same as regular Vader.

Also, are you implying that GL's should forever always be the meta??? If GL's are always going to be the best, then what is the point of releasing new characters that aren't GL's.

Third, you missed the part where I said if they reworked an old character. Also, Vader doesn't steamroll a GL team. Vader can also only be efficient on offense, not defense. So if Vader is on defense, GL's would beat him.

1 - Why would they need to take Vader away from everyone?
Come on ... its not a new concept in this game that you have multiple version of a char in the game. How many Hans do we have? How many Lukes do we have? How many Reys do we have.
For sure they can introduce a new GL Vader as a second / new version of Vader.

2 - And yes, GL should be at least for a loooooong time an integral part of meta. Thats why they are called Galatic Legends and that why they are super hard to get .. right.
Again, what is the purpose of introducing those super hard to get toons if they suddenly get outbeat by a F2P char everybody has since ages? Still no anwer on that..

3 - Come on, he steamrolls over her. In the multiple videos you can see that Vader wipes out Rey teams without getting a single scratch on his team .. totally unlogic, even if its "only" on the offensive side.

In short: Making a old - easy available - F2P toon that everyone has since ages over night better than the ultra hard to get GL Rey is nonesense .. really don't understand why this is so hard to admit.

He kicks also kylos butt, what now? Delete Vader ?
Even GL should have counters otherwise cg should block the game to f2p people und make it p2w only.
https://youtu.be/nRNifVlaBKE

The obvious answer is to just buff Kylo again.

"StarSon;c-2134309" wrote:

"Vuko;c-2134308" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134240" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134220" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134175" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134168" wrote:


The whole point of this game is to have characters BASED ON THE MOVIE. Merciless Target is based on the scene from rogue one. Many of other abilities that characters have are based on the scenes from the movies.

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.

Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game. I could be farming for Revan and then they release GL's after I put tons of resources into Revan. Oh well, thats how the game works, you don't know if they are going to release a new character or rework an old one.

A road ahead would really help so people know if something new is coming and not to pool all their resources into a character that is going to immediately have a new counter...

Sorry.. no, this is so wrong.
CG cannot introduce Galatic Legends chars and announce them as super hard to get & super powerful toons .. and let them beat by a F2P toon that everyone has. No, and no. This is totally wrong and completely destroys the logic of GL chars. GL should only be beatable by other GL setups or at least by newly introduced Legends you need to unlock first (which would be already hard to understand).

Second, if they were to change Vader into a GL then literally everyone will have a GL.
No, because you would need to unlock him as a new GL - the same as you needed to unlock GL Rey. Otherwise again the whole GL story would not make sense if you just convert an already existing char into a GL char for free.


Third, having to decide whether or not to pool your resources into a certain character with the risk of a rework or new character is part of the game.
Yes, but also NO. Vader is no new char, he is F2P since ages and should never be steamroll the super hard to get GL chars. End of story.

So they would take vader away from everyone, I don't think so. It also wouldn't make any sense to create a new vader that is just called a Galactic Legend. Then you basically have two Vaders who are the same but one is a GL and what CG would have to make up new abilities for the GL Vader that aren't the same as regular Vader.

Also, are you implying that GL's should forever always be the meta??? If GL's are always going to be the best, then what is the point of releasing new characters that aren't GL's.

Third, you missed the part where I said if they reworked an old character. Also, Vader doesn't steamroll a GL team. Vader can also only be efficient on offense, not defense. So if Vader is on defense, GL's would beat him.

1 - Why would they need to take Vader away from everyone?
Come on ... its not a new concept in this game that you have multiple version of a char in the game. How many Hans do we have? How many Lukes do we have? How many Reys do we have.
For sure they can introduce a new GL Vader as a second / new version of Vader.

2 - And yes, GL should be at least for a loooooong time an integral part of meta. Thats why they are called Galatic Legends and that why they are super hard to get .. right.
Again, what is the purpose of introducing those super hard to get toons if they suddenly get outbeat by a F2P char everybody has since ages? Still no anwer on that..

3 - Come on, he steamrolls over her. In the multiple videos you can see that Vader wipes out Rey teams without getting a single scratch on his team .. totally unlogic, even if its "only" on the offensive side.

In short: Making a old - easy available - F2P toon that everyone has since ages over night better than the ultra hard to get GL Rey is nonesense .. really don't understand why this is so hard to admit.

He kicks also kylos butt, what now? Delete Vader ?
Even GL should have counters otherwise cg should block the game to f2p people und make it p2w only.
https://youtu.be/nRNifVlaBKE

The obvious answer is to just buff Kylo again.

Dude is going to be so swole after all this buffing.