Vader is Vader

"Starslayer;c-2134490" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134353" wrote:

Vader would beat Kylo and Rey in a lightsaber duel (fighting them one at a time).

Ok, let's do this. I'll root for Rey.

What did we witness in the movies regarding Vador lightsaber skills ? (We're talking Vader here, the guy in suit. We can't compared with Anakin, considering his general health after his last fight as Anakin. We can only judge with what we see when he's in the suit. Fair ?)

ANH: fight an old man about 15 years older than him that lived alone in a desert for a long time, while he was living in a military facility, probably with a gym nearby. 'Wasn't able to smash the old guy until he purposely lost.
ESB: Kick his son's ****, who never had any lightsaber lessons as far as we know, except probably tutorial videos telling him to use small training droids.
ROTJ: Fought his son again, who got better. Lost.
RO (not OT, but ok): fight a bunch of soldiers on a diplomatic shuttle, some of them quite old. Impressive.

Rey fought the personal guards (plural) of the Supreme Leader of the Galaxy (sort of) and won. Granted, she wasn't alone, but they were strongly outnumbers and she did her part. A movie later she won a duel vs a Starship built for combat. Not close combat, I give you that.

Considering the movies, I say Rey demonstrate stronger swordmanship than Vader.

And I raise you lightsaber skills with force powers. Rey smashed a starship (what's her deal with starships, is it because she was a scavenger that she needs to scrap them at sight ?) with force lightning. Vador chocks old guys (what's his deal with old guys ?).

Your move !

One thing to mention. I don't know if this has any affect on the debate but the original trilogy was made in the late 1970s to early 1980s. The graphics in the movies might not be as good back then so they might not have been able to show Vader doing really cool moves. Now to the debate.

Although Vader lost to Luke, Luke is a very powerful Jedi and Vader (in ROTJ) was able to have a pretty decent battle with him.

Vader should be able to choke regular people as easy as old guys because if someone is choking, they can't breathe or do anything else.

Also, Rey didn't really smash a starship, it looked more like a cargo carrier that was used to carry prisoners. Rey also had significantly less training than Vader so Vader would be more experienced.

Granted, Rey was able to defeat Snoke's guards but, the guards don't know how to wield a lightsaber and, they don't have any force powers to go with their decent weapon skills. The guards are also no match for Vader. Plus, Rey wasn't the only one battling the guards.

Force Powers: Equal

Experience: Vader

Swordsmanship: Vader by a tiny bit