Vader is Vader

"TheMaster12345;c-2134500" wrote:


One thing to mention. I don't know if this has any affect on the debate but the original trilogy was made in the late 1970s to early 1980s. The graphics in the movies might not be as good back then so they might not have been able to show Vader doing really cool moves.

Fair enough. That's why I don't mention the actual battles but the opponents. Capeoira is impressive, more than MMA. People could debate on which one is more efficient in some kind of real fight, I guess it won't necessarely be the one with the cool moves.

Although Vader lost to Luke, Luke is a very powerful Jedi and Vader (in ROTJ) was able to have a pretty decent battle with him.

Stiil, he lost. So he didn't demonstrate his skills.

Vader should be able to choke regular people as easy as old guys because if someone is choking, they can't breathe or do anything else.

Yeah, the old guy thing was part of a joke. I guess not a very good one.

Also, Rey didn't really smash a starship, it looked more like a cargo carrier that was used to carry prisoners.

Fair enough. Still impressive

Rey also had significantly less training than Vader so Vader would be more experienced.

The important when we compare "who's the strongest ?" is what they do, not what they learnt. Vader was more experienced than Luke in ROTJ, he still lost.

Granted, Rey was able to defeat Snoke's guards but, the guards don't know how to wield a lightsaber and, they don't have any force powers to go with their decent weapon skills.

That's true, very valid point. Maybe it was more show than skill on their part. But she also fought alone and outnumbers Palpatine elite guards and won. That's something. The question is: are Palpatine elite guards better than young luke in a fight ? I don't know.

Force Powers: Equal

In the movies: Vador can choke and use his cyberhands as Wonder Woman Bracelets, Rey can shoot lightning, use mind trick, teleport object (only to Kylo, so a little lame) and heal. Both can use telepathy and move stuff. I vote Rey.

Experience: Vader

Agree, but irrelevant

Swordsmanship: Vader by a tiny bit

If you're absolutely sure that Young Luke after an internship in Dagobah is stronger than a group of Palpatine guards. I give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a tie on this one.


I hope I managed to at least give you some doubt considering Rey's overall power in the movies. (A lot of) people may not like it, but Rey is a very, very strong character in the movies (and it's actually why a lot of people didn't like her. Because she was so strong, even stronger than a Skywalker, for no apparent reason). So having her very, very strong in the game is not totally irrelevant. She not as iconic as Vador (by far), and having a strong Vador is totally ok, I agree on this point though.