Veers update incoming... What else?

"M_L;c-1024785" wrote:
actually you're right, i'd say viable Rebel leads right now are Hera for phoenix, Wedge and Jyn. both AA and Lando leads i have not seen in a long time in my shard.

i'm not saying Empire has too many leaders. I'm just saying Empire has enough, about 3 or 4 viable leads. so do Rebels, and Jedi to some extent (i'd count zQGJ, FK and Aayla for HAAT).

usually with a rework, we'd hope Veers will also become a viable lead in some aspect of the game. Personally i'm all for more empire toons, but I'd have preferred reworking some other faction entirely like maybe separatists or republic. 'cause there's no shortage of toons with the Empire tag on teams right now. They're not at hte very top but plenty of empire variety still.

I think Veers and Tarkin need to be viable leaders but I would prefer them to lift up some of the underperformers is some creative way too. Like maybe Veers is only a good leader with Empire Troopers like Snow, Storm, Death, Shore. Tarkin can be a speed leader for all of Empire. Plus we have Gar Saxon coming that may end up being viable as a leader for Empire too in some aspects of the game. So I think we agree that Empire has enough leaders. Maybe Veers's doesn't get a reworked leader but a synergy like others have mentioned with Snowtrooper. Then maybe Magma gains 25% offense for each Empire trooper ally (Snow, storm, Shore, Death). Things like that are what I think they should do. We will find out soon enough.

I do think that RG+Palp needs to happen too. Palp is just too squishy when not lead. Maybe RG gains a 50% counter chance when Palp is present and palp cannot be crit when RG is above 50% health.

Veers is just ripe for a re-work, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up looking a lot like Darth Sidious after the Sith faction pass.

- His basic will get a little love. Maybe a small damage bump and increasing the Speed Up chance to 70%, to bring it more in line with newer heroes.
- His AoE Special will get a little more love. Probably upping the chance to Ability Block, possibly some other effect? Something positive for Empire allies?
- His leader ability will probably stay the same in how it feels (i.e. it will stay oriented towards Offense), but will probably get quite a bit of love to make it more diverse, especially given that other Leader abilities offer that much Offense as a secondary or tertiary benefit to the leader ability.
- His Unique will get a Zeta upgrade. It's only level 7, which just makes it the ripe, obvious choice. Turn Meter chance will likely bump up to 100%, but outside of that I don't really have any guesses. He could use some survivability, it would be cool to see him grant some boosts to other Imps, or he could offer some sort of anti-Evasion synergy. I really don't know, but Zetas on Uniques always churn out some interesting effects, which is part of the reason why I'm most excited to see what happens with him.

And there you have it...an Imp version of Darth Sidious, for the most part.

As far as the other Imps who should get some love, its a short list. No reasonable argument can be made for Vader, Deathtrooper, Krennic, Palpatine, Saxon, Commando, Royal Guard, Shoretrooper or TIE Fighter Pilot needing a ton of attention. They're all either in a good place already, have been re-worked already, or are too new. This really only leaves Veers, Tarkin, Magmatrooper, Stormtrooper and Snowtrooper to get fully re-worked, which should be an interesting little faction pass.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we saw 3 or 4 Zetas introduced, kinda like the First Order's pass. I guess the way I see it, this is their opportunity to bring the Imp faction more in line with Rebels as far as viability, popularity, etc. They're the 3rd biggest faction in the game, but aside from a few plug-and-play heroes like Palpatine, they have virtually no presence in Arena or Raids. Time to change that!

"Aero;c-1024754" wrote:
I don't think viper droids say beep boop

Any other suggestions as to what droid might be coming then? I laughed a little, but what if it were one of those really small SUV looking droids that are always zipping around the empire's floors. They making boop beeping noises kinda. =)

I was suggesting a Viper Probe droid because it's what discovered the rebel base on Hoth which led to the AT-AT invasion that Veers commanded. That kind of signifies a connection between the two (at least a stronger one then veers with any other droid that I'm aware of). If it's going to be an imperial droid, the Viper Probe is also one of the most iconic (unless they include an imperial version of K-2SO or Chopper, which they're not likely to do).

YouTube Reference: Imperial Probe Droid sound effects

I'm not sure how you'd verbalize that other then beeps and boops?

@HaronKhast

totally agree with your assessment. would love to see love for those original empire toons. but i'm prepared to be underwhelmed considering the hint only talks about Veers and empire already has a bunch of pretty good toons

yet secretly hoping for a grounds up rework for all those iconic soldiers. knock on wood

@M_L I don't think you need to brace yourself for disappointment too much. They've been killing it with these Faction Passes all year. Resistance was a little underwhelming, but for the most part once a faction gets one, they have plenty of new and interesting tools to work with. Plus, IIRC, when the "veering" joke was make, Kozi was getting a little cheeky with other folks who were trying to incorporate other wordplay into it. Maybe its a stretch, but it certainly gave me the impression that Empire would be getting a full pass (or close to it), rather than just a single hero re-work.

@HaronKhast haha, i'll be happy when i'm wrong. tho to be honest, i don't have any of those older empire toons geared at all. so if their rework turns out to be great it'd just be another distraction.

i'm still working on resistance just for that speed mod challenge.

I honestly think that they'll do synergies and rework with all of it. Veers is kind of public face of the Empire Pass but I'll imagine it like :
Veers have synergies with Snowtrooper (assault on Hoth) and Tarkin with TFP.
Snowtrooper and Veers get stronger as ennemies are dying and Tarkin and TFP will be faster and assure debuffs before ennemies have their turns. Against Rebels all of them are very effective.
Tarkin should keep his Leadership ability and gain a Zeta : +7 speed (35 in total), all allies gain 3 times their speed in potency. If a target enemy is debuffed, allies gain 20% TM at the end of their turn.

Veers should get his Leadership became a Unique applying to Snowtrooper and himself : buffed ennemies suffer buff immunity if they are critically hit, rebels suffer two time damages by any empire units and get debuffed when an empire ally use an AoE.

And to answer your question "What else ?", Georges would say "Nespresso !". That's all for me ;)

"ObiWanSteel;c-1024722" wrote:
If they give Snowtrooper and Veers synergy my vote goes to calling them Sneers.

Solid nomination. also

Veeper
Voopet
Vesnow
Snoweers
Snoteers

"Asic;c-1024999" wrote:

"ObiWanSteel;c-1024722" wrote:
If they give Snowtrooper and Veers synergy my vote goes to calling them Sneers.

Solid nomination. also

Veeper
Voopet
Vesnow
Snoweers
Snoteers

Sneers still wins, here's why:
1. Combos are OP
2. People get mad at them
3. They get more mad when people say "git gud"
4. They say those people sneer at them
5. The game Sneers at you when you lose
6. Sneersing is the new thing.

"HaronKhast;c-1024859" wrote:
Veers is just ripe for a re-work, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up looking a lot like Darth Sidious after the Sith faction pass.

- His basic will get a little love. Maybe a small damage bump and increasing the Speed Up chance to 70%, to bring it more in line with newer heroes.
- His AoE Special will get a little more love. Probably upping the chance to Ability Block, possibly some other effect? Something positive for Empire allies?
- His leader ability will probably stay the same in how it feels (i.e. it will stay oriented towards Offense), but will probably get quite a bit of love to make it more diverse, especially given that other Leader abilities offer that much Offense as a secondary or tertiary benefit to the leader ability.
- His Unique will get a Zeta upgrade. It's only level 7, which just makes it the ripe, obvious choice. Turn Meter chance will likely bump up to 100%, but outside of that I don't really have any guesses. He could use some survivability, it would be cool to see him grant some boosts to other Imps, or he could offer some sort of anti-Evasion synergy. I really don't know, but Zetas on Uniques always churn out some interesting effects, which is part of the reason why I'm most excited to see what happens with him.

And there you have it...an Imp version of Darth Sidious, for the most part.

As far as the other Imps who should get some love, its a short list. No reasonable argument can be made for Vader, Deathtrooper, Krennic, Palpatine, Saxon, Commando, Royal Guard, Shoretrooper or TIE Fighter Pilot needing a ton of attention. They're all either in a good place already, have been re-worked already, or are too new. This really only leaves Veers, Tarkin, Magmatrooper, Stormtrooper and Snowtrooper to get fully re-worked, which should be an interesting little faction pass.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we saw 3 or 4 Zetas introduced, kinda like the First Order's pass. I guess the way I see it, this is their opportunity to bring the Imp faction more in line with Rebels as far as viability, popularity, etc. They're the 3rd biggest faction in the game, but aside from a few plug-and-play heroes like Palpatine, they have virtually no presence in Arena or Raids. Time to change that!

I don't say the empire has more than "a few plug and play heroes"--shoretrooper, royal guard, tie pilot, Vader are all widely used in top arena teams and strong raid squads. Then you deathtrooper and krennic, who although not widely used are pretty underrated. They pretty much have the second most numbers of viable characters in the game, behind rebels.