We are the real heros

"kello_511;c-1964781" wrote:

"TVF;c-1964775" wrote:

"kello_511;c-1964693" wrote:

"jedibaer71;c-1964679" wrote:
@Beeblebrox of course you are right! no question, i only wanted to mention, that we lose 3.5 vaults of crystals in comparison with players, who didn't fall so deep and have to fight maximum 5 fights per day.

the only reason, why we do this to us, are the fleet arena token. normally i'm 4/5 zetas behind in the gac...

Your math assumes that no one on other shards need to refresh.
The reality is that many shards require players to do at least 1 refresh daily. Arena shards are full of players who quit playing early on, so there tends to be less competition. Fleet shards open later and came later in the game so most early shards are full of active players. Coupled with a meta that hasn’t changed and no real way to set yourself apart from your competitors, every battle is a mirror and players drop far enough to need a refresh.

This is the complete opposite of conventional wisdom, which granted can be wrong, but states that way less people bother with fleet. There's tons of people (granted, again, anecdotal) where the top 20 never falls farther than that. My fleet shard is one of those. Haven't heard of a squad shard like that, unless maybe if you're on a launch shard like @Nikoms565 .

Also a fleet shard is 10% the size of a squad shard.

Also also, no need to shout OP, we can hear you.

I am on a near launch arena shard so maybe it’s different. My fleet arena is way more competitive and active than my squad arena.

It has nothing to do with near launch and everything to do with the fact that there are always outliers.

Must simply just be a shard with a lot of competitive players at the same time..

I feel you.

If not sure you are "heroes", but you have my sympathy. I'll cry a little tear for you as I do my one battle to move from 3 to 1 for my payout.

The furthest I ever fall in my fleet shard is like, 12th. I never have to buy refreshes to get #1, and I haven't made any substantial upgrades to my ships (at least the ones I use for arena) in months. I dunno, I think I like my deal better.

"Jarvind;c-1964820" wrote:
The furthest I ever fall in my fleet shard is like, 12th. I never have to buy refreshes to get #1, and I haven't made any substantial upgrades to my ships (at least the ones I use for arena) in months. I dunno, I think I like my deal better.

The real hero right here! :salute:

"TVF;c-1964796" wrote:

"kello_511;c-1964781" wrote:

"TVF;c-1964775" wrote:

"kello_511;c-1964693" wrote:

"jedibaer71;c-1964679" wrote:
@Beeblebrox of course you are right! no question, i only wanted to mention, that we lose 3.5 vaults of crystals in comparison with players, who didn't fall so deep and have to fight maximum 5 fights per day.

the only reason, why we do this to us, are the fleet arena token. normally i'm 4/5 zetas behind in the gac...

Your math assumes that no one on other shards need to refresh.
The reality is that many shards require players to do at least 1 refresh daily. Arena shards are full of players who quit playing early on, so there tends to be less competition. Fleet shards open later and came later in the game so most early shards are full of active players. Coupled with a meta that hasn’t changed and no real way to set yourself apart from your competitors, every battle is a mirror and players drop far enough to need a refresh.

This is the complete opposite of conventional wisdom, which granted can be wrong, but states that way less people bother with fleet. There's tons of people (granted, again, anecdotal) where the top 20 never falls farther than that. My fleet shard is one of those. Haven't heard of a squad shard like that, unless maybe if you're on a launch shard like @Nikoms565 .

Also a fleet shard is 10% the size of a squad shard.

Also also, no need to shout OP, we can hear you.

I am on a near launch arena shard so maybe it’s different. My fleet arena is way more competitive and active than my squad arena.

It has nothing to do with near launch and everything to do with the fact that there are always outliers.

Then why did you bring it up?

"TVF;c-1964775" wrote:

"kello_511;c-1964693" wrote:

"jedibaer71;c-1964679" wrote:
@Beeblebrox of course you are right! no question, i only wanted to mention, that we lose 3.5 vaults of crystals in comparison with players, who didn't fall so deep and have to fight maximum 5 fights per day.

the only reason, why we do this to us, are the fleet arena token. normally i'm 4/5 zetas behind in the gac...

Your math assumes that no one on other shards need to refresh.
The reality is that many shards require players to do at least 1 refresh daily. Arena shards are full of players who quit playing early on, so there tends to be less competition. Fleet shards open later and came later in the game so most early shards are full of active players. Coupled with a meta that hasn’t changed and no real way to set yourself apart from your competitors, every battle is a mirror and players drop far enough to need a refresh.

Haven't heard of a squad shard like that, unless maybe if you're on a launch shard like @Nikoms565 .

It was a joke for my friend Nik.

At least your able to do the feats, some players cant beat anyone ahead of them so they put a lvl 1 ship in and dont even drop causing them to miss feats

"TVF;c-1964829" wrote:
It was a joke for my friend Nik.

I mention it just for perspective. :D

@TVF

There's tons of people (granted, again, anecdotal) where the top 20 never falls farther than that. My fleet shard is one of those.

:waves: That's me!

Of course, I don't like fighting over and over again to reach the top every day... so I invested crystals in getting the best fleet on my shard. It can probably still be beaten by anyone in the top 50 who cares to try, but if you have worked hard to max out your pilots/crew and have 30-90k more gp in your fleet than anyone else in your top 10, why would anyone fight you if they didn't have to? They just pick someone else to challenge.

Last night I fell to 5th. It's a couple more hours before I have to fight for first, so I might even fall farther, but I doubt it. 5th place is the farthest I've fallen in about a month. Sometimes I fall no further than 2nd. 3rd and 4th are both fairly common.

Granted, not everyone can have the highest GP fleet on a shard (much less the highest GP by the margin I've achieved), but if you invest in pilots and crew instead of refreshes, there's a better chance you'll win a fight or two on defense. The combo of having a much higher GP than your neighbors combined with people remembering that they've lost to your fleet before makes an effective deterrent to being challenged by people who just want the easiest path to #1.

It's hard to know, but I probably invested no more crystals in maxing out my pilots than others spend in refreshes, and my strategy takes a lot less time out of my day. And as a side benefit, I get some extra toons to throw at my GAC opponents.