What happened to promoting diversity?

"Shahram1222;d-156115" wrote:
I seem to recall when one of the devs did his YouTube tour, he mentioned wanting to promote more diversity in arena, such as by introducing NS reworks, JTR, etc.

Now they release Holdo, who by all accounts will be a very strong Tank for JTR teams and has abilities that directly counter the other two meta squads (NS and CLS). I can only imagine how OP this team will be when paired with GK (having two tanks that auto-taunt with over 100,000 Health/protection each).

JTR teams are already dominating arena (SWGOH.GG meta report shows that team with almost 50% share in finishing number 1). So adding another strong tank to JTR teams will only further dilute any diversity in arena and likely result in the same uniformity we saw after CLS was released just a few months ago.

So I have to ask, what happened to the goal of promoting diversity?

Dude there's literally a hint for all sorts of dark side love in February, Holdo won't even be farmable until april or later. All you guys freaking out need to chill.

"TVF;c-1439725" wrote:
You aren't doomed. Come on.

No no, even C3PO knows and I quote "We're doomed!"

They are promoting diversity.

Light side diversity.

I’m sorry. I don’t ever remember a time when diversity was promoted or encouraged.

Thanks for the patronizing comment, but I’m obviously not freaking out. It’s a simple question and a valid one. If you don’t care about this, then good for you.

No one knows what is coming in February. What we do know right now is that diversity in arena just took a huge step back.

"Mol_Zakore;c-1439700" wrote:

"Shahram1222;d-156115" wrote:
I seem to recall when one of the devs did his YouTube tour, he mentioned wanting to promote more diversity in arena, such as by introducing NS reworks, JTR, etc.

Now they release Holdo, who by all accounts will be a very strong Tank for JTR teams and has abilities that directly counter the other two meta squads (NS and CLS). I can only imagine how OP this team will be when paired with GK (having two tanks that auto-taunt with over 100,000 Health/protection each).

JTR teams are already dominating arena (SWGOH.GG meta report shows that team with almost 50% share in finishing number 1). So adding another strong tank to JTR teams will only further dilute any diversity in arena and likely result in the same uniformity we saw after CLS was released just a few months ago.

So I have to ask, what happened to the goal of promoting diversity?

Dude there's literally a hint for all sorts of dark side love in February, Holdo won't even be farmable until april or later. All you guys freaking out need to chill.

"Shahram1222;c-1439708" wrote:
Thanks for the patronizing comment, but I’m obviously not freaking out. It’s a simple question and a valid one. If you don’t care about this, then good for you.

No one knows what is coming in February. What we do know right now is that diversity in arena just took a huge step back.

"Mol_Zakore;c-1439700" wrote:

"Shahram1222;d-156115" wrote:
I seem to recall when one of the devs did his YouTube tour, he mentioned wanting to promote more diversity in arena, such as by introducing NS reworks, JTR, etc.

Now they release Holdo, who by all accounts will be a very strong Tank for JTR teams and has abilities that directly counter the other two meta squads (NS and CLS). I can only imagine how OP this team will be when paired with GK (having two tanks that auto-taunt with over 100,000 Health/protection each).

JTR teams are already dominating arena (SWGOH.GG meta report shows that team with almost 50% share in finishing number 1). So adding another strong tank to JTR teams will only further dilute any diversity in arena and likely result in the same uniformity we saw after CLS was released just a few months ago.

So I have to ask, what happened to the goal of promoting diversity?

Dude there's literally a hint for all sorts of dark side love in February, Holdo won't even be farmable until april or later. All you guys freaking out need to chill.

We haven't even seen Holdo in action, you are taking the assumptions of an internet forum and using that as justification to say JTR is the ONLY meta in arena because of Holdo. Lmao chill out dude, it's a freakin game. They wouldn't put out a toon that makes no arena diversity without a plan first, have some patience and remember it just. A. Game.

depends on what kind of diversity you're looking for ;)

I've posted this elsewhere, but please try to remember that Devs don't make business decisions. Devs may want to add more diversity to the game, but "Product Owners" and "higher ups" are typically the ones with the final call, and usually with the almighty dollar as the bottom line. And these decisions are made months in advance (typically) so they can't 100% predict how the meta is going to adjust when any given toon is released.

And users will typically surprise devs with combinations they discover. "No plan survives first contact with reality" is a mantra amongst software engineers. I've developed game systems that users have destroyed in minutes because they think of the whackiest things to try, while things that I think are relatively simple and easy to use remain undiscovered for months. This game is no different.

It's entirely possible they never thought of the "My Two Dads" Forehead Rey team and had Holdo already designed for one Resistance Team while Rose is for another Resistance Team.

Also, remember that Arena is not the only game mode in the game. While I agree that Holdo is going to make Forehead Rey teams more potent in Arena, she (and Rose) also allow for greater diversity in Territory Wars and Territory Battle teams with 2 Resistance teams instead of just one. 4HDRey on defense and a more classic zFinn (with Rose and Scav Rey) for offense.

You aren't doomed. Come on.

No doubt Holdo and Rose are characters that were mandated by higher ups, but the decision on what to include in Holdo’s kit is within the purview of the devs. It’s hard to believe they made her kit (with an AOE daze that specifically counters CLS leadership and healing that specifically counters NS) without knowing how it would impact the meta. They play test new characters in their own internal arena. They know dude.

"DorianBlade;c-1439717" wrote:
I've posted this elsewhere, but please try to remember that Devs don't make business decisions. Devs may want to add more diversity to the game, but "Product Owners" and "higher ups" are typically the ones with the final call, and usually with the almighty dollar as the bottom line. And these decisions are made months in advance (typically) so they can't 100% predict how the meta is going to adjust when any given toon is released.

And users will typically surprise devs with combinations they discover. "No plan survives first contact with reality" is a mantra amongst software engineers. I've developed game systems that users have destroyed in minutes because they think of the whackiest things to try, while things that I think are relatively simple and easy to use remain undiscovered for months. This game is no different.

It's entirely possible they never thought of the "My Two Dads" Forehead Rey team and had Holdo already designed for one Resistance Team while Rose is for another Resistance Team.

Also, remember that Arena is not the only game mode in the game. While I agree that Holdo is going to make Forehead Rey teams more potent in Arena, she (and Rose) also allow for greater diversity in Territory Wars and Territory Battle teams with 2 Resistance teams instead of just one. 4HDRey on defense and a more classic zFinn (with Rose and Scav Rey) for offense.