Where is the interesting part of the new raid?

"Starslayer;c-2448740" wrote:

"r21stephen;c-2448737" wrote:

"TVF;c-2448723" wrote:

"r21stephen;c-2448717" wrote:

"Alex84swgoh;c-2448714" wrote:
Isn't the speeder thing already a part of the Leia journey? So basically in the lack of imagination, they'll basically recycle one part of the Leia journey. That's how I see it. I really miss raids with multiple phases, this Kyrat raid in my opinion was a fail. Constantly doing the same thing over and over and over again, gets boring within a month. Sure every raid gets boring fast, but these one dimensional 1 phase raids scream laziness from the developer's part.
Which let's be honest has been obvious lately.

Kyrat launch was a fail
Conquest on steroids was a fail
Maraduer taking out top fleets was a fail
Leviathan launch was a fail
Jabba's bugged journey was a fail
Leia's journey is still currently a semi-fail
And the list goes on and on.

Basically they'll throw out untested content, with severe miscalculations on rewards and game economy. Which pretty much translates into them caring nothing about the player base and doing the bare minimum for profit.

At the end of the day this is a game that you can't even play, it's contents are very limited to energy, time, lack of content.
It's not like something that you can play more to advance more/faster like 95% of other games. At best you get 15-20 minutes of actual game time out of it a day.

They could easily implement practice nods to practice on your current rosters that is not limited by any kind of energy. No rewards, but we could practice battles,without actually being afraid of dropping a battle. Stuff like that would be cool and useful. It'd give us content to mess with as well.

Anyways I'm not wowed at all by the upcoming raid, sounds like an altered version of the already existing Leia journey.

they hide behind their tags such as crumb and tusken meathead because they are ashamed of the shoddy work they do.

No it's because people are insane and would be a legit threat to the personal safety of themselves and their families.

thankyou, but people wouldnt be so irate if the game was less shoddy. and we could all live happily ever after

So a ‘legit threat to the personal safety of themselves and their families’ is their fault because the game is shoddy ? I’m not sure you’re realizing what you’re implying here. Better stay on topic.

The interesting part of the new raid is how different it is.

My concern is how they will make it so we won’t be repeating the same cycle of skills with a particular team all the time until enrage. Krayt dragon had phases in the fight that made it interesting (at least for me).

"Olderaan;c-2448555" wrote:

"Fellah;c-2448517" wrote:
Haters gonna hate.

Where did you see that I hate it?
I've been playing this game every day since 2016. During these years I've found a lot of thing exciting and few things bored or bad in it. So far nobody cares this part.
And now comes what is perhaps more interesting: the first three raids were very well planned. We played with them for years before we got bored of them, then they became simable or easily auto playable. We got bored of the dragon raid in a few months. Now, if this Endor raid is going to be about what we see in Leia Tier 5, then we got a big problem. We'll probably get bored in a few weeks in terms of raid.
So I'm not criticizing the game because I hate it, but because I quite like it and I don't want it to become boring and burned out. And I definitely don't want it to become a math calculation task without any fun.

"r21stephen;c-2448764" wrote:

"WookieWookie;c-2448750" wrote:
Let's call a spade a spade. It's 8 team runs per week instead of 10. It's a very slight decrease in the number of attempts based tedium. I really hope that the gameplay is significantly more engaging and faster than the Leia ultimate speederbike stage. If it's that dull and needs done 8 times per week I can see a lot of my guild mates getting bored and burned out within a month and just hitting auto.

I think what we really need is an option to sim our best previous score. The raid is already tracking that, and guilds/individuals pushing for better rewards is already enough incentive to reattempt a personal best score every month/new relic/ability/mod investment. Forcing us to replay the same dull event 32 times a month may get the bean counters their 'engagement' (time spent in game) but it's abhorrent design and can lead to burnout. When Conquest/grind quest is at a glance more engaging than your new raid (at least you need to use and attack different teams each time; it's not the same thing over and over save grinding feats on the DC nodes but that's usually on auto), then your design team needs to think harder about a rework/adding QoL features.

by slight decrease, you mean increased time on your phone trying to kill 100s of speeder bikes with the app running on 40 year old graphics and 30fps ? lets call a spade a spade and congratulate cg for this horse poo ?

"r21stephen;c-2448773" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2448765" wrote:

"r21stephen;c-2448764" wrote:

"WookieWookie;c-2448750" wrote:
Let's call a spade a spade. It's 8 team runs per week instead of 10. It's a very slight decrease in the number of attempts based tedium. I really hope that the gameplay is significantly more engaging and faster than the Leia ultimate speederbike stage. If it's that dull and needs done 8 times per week I can see a lot of my guild mates getting bored and burned out within a month and just hitting auto.

I think what we really need is an option to sim our best previous score. The raid is already tracking that, and guilds/individuals pushing for better rewards is already enough incentive to reattempt a personal best score every month/new relic/ability/mod investment. Forcing us to replay the same dull event 32 times a month may get the bean counters their 'engagement' (time spent in game) but it's abhorrent design and can lead to burnout. When Conquest/grind quest is at a glance more engaging than your new raid (at least you need to use and attack different teams each time; it's not the same thing over and over save grinding feats on the DC nodes but that's usually on auto), then your design team needs to think harder about a rework/adding QoL features.

by slight decrease, you mean increased time on your phone trying to kill 100s of speeder bikes with the app running on 40 year old graphics and 30fps ? lets call a spade a spade and congratulate cg for this horse poo ?

Perhaps if you used less hyperbole people might take more notice of your comments.

For reference this is what 40 year old graphics look like. It seems unlikely that the new raid will appear similar.

im here to win a popularity contest? no pal.........

"Starslayer;c-2448838" wrote:
The Krayt raid didn’t have phases but had very different gameplay depending on the team you used. I went with tuskens, mandos, hutts and Old Rep and all four played very differently and kept things fresh for me. Only the 5th team composed of leftovers didn’t have something special and was quite boring.
I didn’t regret R7 my tuskens because even if it wasn’t worth the investment resource wise, it gave me a few months of fun battles (hitting 200k with the ballista was still fun the 50th time).
I hope the 3 faction bonuses will make for 3 different kinds of battles (too bad there are 8 battles then). I guess we’ll see soon enough !

"herd_nerfer;c-2448763" wrote:

"Olderaan;c-2448555" wrote:

"Fellah;c-2448517" wrote:
Haters gonna hate.

Where did you see that I hate it?
I've been playing this game every day since 2016. During these years I've found a lot of thing exciting and few things bored or bad in it. So far nobody cares this part.
And now comes what is perhaps more interesting: the first three raids were very well planned. We played with them for years before we got bored of them, then they became simable or easily auto playable. We got bored of the dragon raid in a few months. Now, if this Endor raid is going to be about what we see in Leia Tier 5, then we got a big problem. We'll probably get bored in a few weeks in terms of raid.
So I'm not criticizing the game because I hate it, but because I quite like it and I don't want it to become boring and burned out. And I definitely don't want it to become a math calculation task without any fun.

I think one of the reasons those raids had such staying power is that all the legacy raids had four distinct phases with a different strategy and ideal team comp for each. With Krayt (and soon Endor) there's one mode. Strategy may depend on the toons you use, but the scenery and mechanics stay the same. Imagine doing HSTR but only ever being able to do phase 1 - that would get really boring really quickly. With the new raid system, in theory the tedium would be mitigated by rapidly cycling the 'featured raid' - but that doesn't give anyone but the bleeding edge players time to develop raid teams. I think CG is still trying to figure out how to pull off this balancing act.

Honestly, I can see this getting old fast. And I'm not looking forward to making new mod loadouts or doing all the mod shuffling that Krayt required initially. Seems like a fantastic time to introduce roster wide mod snapshots (wink wink nudge nudge CG). But as with most things where this game is concerned, I'll take a 'wait and see' approach, since my initial evaluations always seem to be overly pessimistic after actually getting into the new stuff.