Who thinks TW Match Making works well?

"TrevorPhillphs;c-2194957" wrote:
Its worst for the guilds at 90-120 Million GP imo, when its not about who has the most relics, G12's, zetas etc but instead who has the most malaks, GAS' , new CLS team etc.

At this bracket, it is easier for the system to be exploited. The higher brackets are fine imo

"Exploiting" assumes that people do it on purpose. While in most cases it just incomplete guilds, people slacking or have time issues, etc. Especially in the GP range you mentioned.

Btw, another two examples.



43vs28-29. In community theory, it should be overwhelming loss for us. In practice - extremely close loss.



33vs33+ . In theory, even or favored for us matchup. In practice, obvious loss.

I'm a guild officer for a guild with ~100m-110m these past 6 TWs. I use the bot for TW matches and the matchmaking is definitely more bad than good. Out of the last 6 TWs we have won 1. Why? Because of GLs. 5 of those 6 matches have been against opponents with at least 3 GLs, one opponent had 7 GLs... We have 0 GLs, 6 malaks (2 at 7*), 7 DRs, 1 GAS... You get the point. We have nothing that's going to blow away an opponent, but we do have good strategies and decent all-around rosters. The one TW we did win was against a team with 0 GLs that was very similar to our guild in terms of meta characters except with Traya and GG (they had 14 to our 7, and 47 to our 35, respectively). Before this stretch of 6 TWs, we were 3-1 because of good matchmaking (0 GLs in our opponents' squads, and fairly decent similarities with the other meta teams). I've spoken with some GL owners against whom we've had to fight and they say they're either taking a break from the hardcore TWs from their real guilds, or they are helping out a friend win a TW easily. I'm not against that at all, but if people are going to be doing that, at least pair them up against a similar guild with GLs.

Also, I have seen what was mentioned previously where a guild had 33 players to our 45, but they all had really good rosters (all at 3m+ GP, multiple GASes, DRs, malaks, etc.). That's really not fair at all when we have some players at 700k GP joining TW.

All in all, I'm not saying matchmaking is horrible, but it does need a lot of improvement. It's just too inconsistent in my opinion. A guild of 100m GP is basically a beginner, early mid-player guild. We are all f2p in my guild and play for fun. We should not be facing guilds with multiple GLs and 30+ DRs and Malaks at this point...

@Kyno
Thank you...

I honestly believe there's something not quite right and I know there's a fine balance between existing features and new content. We have been absolutely decimated the last few TW's and it is quite demotivating!

Look forward to the New Year!!

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"esteban_obisan;c-2195419" wrote:
I'm a guild officer for a guild with ~100m-110m these past 6 TWs. I use the bot for TW matches and the matchmaking is definitely more bad than good. Out of the last 6 TWs we have won 1. Why? Because of GLs. 5 of those 6 matches have been against opponents with at least 3 GLs, one opponent had 7 GLs... We have 0 GLs, 6 malaks (2 at 7*), 7 DRs, 1 GAS... You get the point. We have nothing that's going to blow away an opponent, but we do have good strategies and decent all-around rosters. The one TW we did win was against a team with 0 GLs that was very similar to our guild in terms of meta characters except with Traya and GG (they had 14 to our 7, and 47 to our 35, respectively). Before this stretch of 6 TWs, we were 3-1 because of good matchmaking (0 GLs in our opponents' squads, and fairly decent similarities with the other meta teams). I've spoken with some GL owners against whom we've had to fight and they say they're either taking a break from the hardcore TWs from their real guilds, or they are helping out a friend win a TW easily. I'm not against that at all, but if people are going to be doing that, at least pair them up against a similar guild with GLs.

Also, I have seen what was mentioned previously where a guild had 33 players to our 45, but they all had really good rosters (all at 3m+ GP, multiple GASes, DRs, malaks, etc.). That's really not fair at all when we have some players at 700k GP joining TW.

All in all, I'm not saying matchmaking is horrible, but it does need a lot of improvement. It's just too inconsistent in my opinion. A guild of 100m GP is basically a beginner, early mid-player guild. We are all f2p in my guild and play for fun. We should not be facing guilds with multiple GLs and 30+ DRs and Malaks at this point...

I'll tell you a "secret", people don't go through months of the very hard grind of GL just to be in the same situation- they do it to get an advantage.

The matchmaking is set by the active gp of the participating players, not the gp of the entire guild. That mean each guild is match with a guild within the range of reasonable active gp. Now, what we do with our gp is entire up to us. We could have this gp from Tuskan or from Sith Empire, from Phoenix or from 501st (I go to the extream for the argument).
You want to succeed more in TW/GAC/TB- develop more effective toons

@avihas
If only it was that straightforward...

If you have active GP of 120m from 25 players and your opponent has active 120M from 45 players there's going to be a huge GAP in quality of squads... That is the purpose of this discussion... If it was 120 & 40 players in each guild but one guild has better quality then that is a fair match whatever the outcome

"Natetiffer;c-2224898" wrote:
I am still hearing of TW Matchmaking Horror stories, if you have a history of bad matchmaking, and in this thread we are really looking at where the Active GP is Matched but the number of Active Players is not matched resulting in an unfair average, please DM me your ally codes...

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"Natetiffer;c-2224898" wrote:
I am still hearing of TW Matchmaking Horror stories, if you have a history of bad matchmaking, and in this thread we are really looking at where the Active GP is Matched but the number of Active Players is not matched resulting in an unfair average, please DM me your ally codes...

CG has this data - and could easily break it down and look at it. I'm not quite sure why they don't.

IIRC, someone asked about "sandbagging" in TW in a previous Q&A and CG didn't even seem to understand the question. To be clear - whether a guild does it intentionally or not, is largely irrelevant. The algorithm needs to fixed to account for differing numbers of active players on opposing guilds.

Punishing guilds for full participation in a game mode seems contrary to the spirit of the game.

Most TWs my guild gets destroyed by a much stronger one. We get nearly full guild participation and we are punished for it. Our opponent is almost always a very strong guild whose top players all join but for whatever reason, many weaker accounts do not. This has been going on for over a year now. I'd be surprised to find out that we've won over 10% of our matches over that time. It's really discouraging. Furthermore, it's disheartening to see that no one cares to fix this problem. We report most of our mismatches, yet nothing changes. They must know that this has been broken for a really long time now. Yet nothing is done about it. Worse yet, no one is even acknowledging it. Complete nonsense. Believe me, the matchmaking algorithm is broken.

"StealthGOBLIN32;c-2227870" wrote:
The TW matchmaking system is passable. While it doesn’t factor speed mods or galactic legends. If the gp is close and you get destroyed, it’s your fault. You either managed your gp wrong and have gear on bad characters, or your guild coordination sucks.
However, there should be a better reason to sign up in order to discourage sandbagging such as better rewards. YOUR LOSS IS YOUR FAULT!

By your own admission, the system does not count GLs who are the best characters in the game. Thereby, the system is flawed. Our last TW, my guild with 16 GLs faced We Did it All 4 the Wookiee that has 36 GLs. That's more than double what we have. You say that there isn't a problem here and that this is our fault? That is absurd. I don't think your opinion can be considered valid here. I don't feel that asking for a level playing field is unreasonable. Clearly you have not encountered these lopsided matchups. Good for you. Doesn't change the fact that there is a problem for many of us. I'm very interested to hear how you think that 36 GLs vs 16 is passable to use your wording. Hopefully evaluating is not part of something you have to do on a day to day basis. That doesn't get a pass from me.

My guild has been getting decent TW matching lately. But I do think that the player count issue should be factored in to limit mismatches, if it’s feasible to do that. From a philosophical standpoint, getting a high participation in TWs should be a good thing and get rewarded or at least treated neutrally as opposed to being a ticket to lopsided mismatches in some wars.