Who's 5th in QGJ zeta team?

"kodias;855438" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;848622" wrote:

"TommySitt;848531" wrote:
Don't do QG! Way too easy to counter, trust me. Shock JKA, kill QG, kill JKA, shock the rest to prevent foresight, retire the side. Meanwhile they just try to tickle you to death. Empire will spank them easily

If you have GK go for Zarriss. Otherwise, go for Maul or Boba. If you lack EP, you have an uphill climb

You're not shocking anybody for first two turns when yoda moves first and grants tenacity up and palpatine is way too squishy to survive much longer after that. I love facing your silly empire teams

I agree, Plus EP is so slow when he doesn't gain tm from shocks or his stun. I run QGJ Zeta, yoda, ahsoka, jka, and St Han. my Yoda has 260 speed, pops tenacity up on first turn. TFP drops his aoe, it's all resisted. burn down tfp. then switch to JKA if there is one and leave EP for third (depending on the team). My yoda is so fast that he can get tenacity up again while St han is still taunting. Empire teams are cake for QGJ zeta

Interesting. First move Yoda spreads tenacity and foresight. Next move, my TFP gets rid of all foresight with his aoe. GK's negotiator grants everyone retribution. I'm assuming STH next. My EP goes. I'm not an idiot so I let the hate flow so I don't damage STH. If EP goes first I still do that because tenacity is up anyway. JKA does his aoe and my whole team attacks STH. SF debuffs and EP shocks. At some point QGJ and Ashoka will go and get countered. When Yoda goes again he'll pull his aoe and my team will do the same against him as they did against STH. He will be useless after that. Now I'm free to shock your team and debuff with TFP. My team 5-0s your team within minutes. Even the time out teams designed to last the full five minutes will beat yours within a few minutes.

A zeta on QGJ does not help as much as a zeta on Vader, Maul, or even Barriss. Given the choice I will attack a zQGJ team, and win every single time.

"sying;855796" wrote:

"kodias;855438" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;848622" wrote:

"TommySitt;848531" wrote:
Don't do QG! Way too easy to counter, trust me. Shock JKA, kill QG, kill JKA, shock the rest to prevent foresight, retire the side. Meanwhile they just try to tickle you to death. Empire will spank them easily

If you have GK go for Zarriss. Otherwise, go for Maul or Boba. If you lack EP, you have an uphill climb

You're not shocking anybody for first two turns when yoda moves first and grants tenacity up and palpatine is way too squishy to survive much longer after that. I love facing your silly empire teams

I agree, Plus EP is so slow when he doesn't gain tm from shocks or his stun. I run QGJ Zeta, yoda, ahsoka, jka, and St Han. my Yoda has 260 speed, pops tenacity up on first turn. TFP drops his aoe, it's all resisted. burn down tfp. then switch to JKA if there is one and leave EP for third (depending on the team). My yoda is so fast that he can get tenacity up again while St han is still taunting. Empire teams are cake for QGJ zeta

Interesting. First move Yoda spreads tenacity and foresight. Next move, my TFP gets rid of all foresight with his aoe. GK's negotiator grants everyone retribution. I'm assuming STH next. My EP goes. I'm not an **** so I let the hate flow so I don't damage STH. If EP goes first I still do that because tenacity is up anyway. JKA does his aoe and my whole team attacks STH. SF debuffs and EP shocks. At some point QGJ and Ashoka will go and get countered. When Yoda goes again he'll pull his aoe and my team will do the same against him as they did against STH. He will be useless after that. Now I'm free to shock your team and debuff with TFP. My team 5-0s your team within minutes. Even the time out teams designed to last the full five minutes will beat yours within a few minutes.

A zeta on QGJ does not help as much as a zeta on Vader, Maul, or even Barriss. Given the choice I will attack a zQGJ team, and win every single time.

And then you'll lose when we play you on defense. I target empire teams expect for the rare one where a Zader has a faster tfp than my yoda. Your point about defense mattering is moot.

I think it's pretty apparent that neither your nor my team will automatically hold position. My point is, Zader and Zaul teams have a much easier time holding position. If you don't mind having to win back 5, 10, or even 20 positions every day then by all means use the zeta on QGJ and fight away. But if you like constantly staying in the top ten, five or even top three and having a much easier time in arena then don't waste your time putting a zeta on QGJ and use it where it do some good.

I seriously don't understand how you're not understanding my argument. zQGJ teams are relatively easy to kill for all teams and you will be targeted way more often than not.

The only toon that's a bigger waste of a zeta is chewie.

"sying;855936" wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that neither your nor my team will automatically hold position. My point is, Zader and Zaul teams have a much easier time holding position. If you don't mind having to win back 5, 10, or even 20 positions every day then by all means use the zeta on QGJ and fight away. But if you like constantly staying in the top ten, five or even top three and having a much easier time in arena then don't waste your time putting a zeta on QGJ and use it where it do some good.

I seriously don't understand how you're not understanding my argument. zQGJ teams are relatively easy to kill for all teams and you will be targeted way more often than not.

The only toon that's a bigger waste of a zeta is chewie.

I'm not sure that I can take your argument seriously after you say this is the second worst zeta behind chewie. His zeta and swapping him for Anakin as leader is the big reason I've been able to consistently cash out in the top 5 on my shard. There's certainly worse zetas out there.

As far as dropping rank goes, a lot of that depends on your shard. If there's two teams in your top twenty that run a qui gon zeta everyone else runs a wiggs or empire team, then it makes sense that you would drop rank more. This isn't because team your team is terrible on defense; it's because you get targeted more because your team looks different. Empire has become pretty meta and so your empire team probably won't drop as much rank simply because it blends in with the rest of the crowd.

Bottom line is you can fight yourself into first place using a qui gon zeta lead. You can beat most teams on offense and its good enough on defense to where you will start in a position in which you will be able to fight back to number one that day.

QGJ z has the advantage of a good accompanying toolbox. I add Aayla, GK, and Ahsoka as mainstays and rotate in Yoda or Ani depending on the opponent. I beat everything on O pretty easily - Vader z, Maul z, empire teams, rebel teams, Chase... D it falls maybe 10 spots overnight. Big deal. So don't be discouraged by the negativity. QGJ z is fun and if it's what you want to play, do it. It's totally viable.

"Tuftedpaper85;855987" wrote:

"sying;855936" wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that neither your nor my team will automatically hold position. My point is, Zader and Zaul teams have a much easier time holding position. If you don't mind having to win back 5, 10, or even 20 positions every day then by all means use the zeta on QGJ and fight away. But if you like constantly staying in the top ten, five or even top three and having a much easier time in arena then don't waste your time putting a zeta on QGJ and use it where it do some good.

I seriously don't understand how you're not understanding my argument. zQGJ teams are relatively easy to kill for all teams and you will be targeted way more often than not.

The only toon that's a bigger waste of a zeta is chewie.

I'm not sure that I can take your argument seriously after you say this is the second worst zeta behind chewie. His zeta and swapping him for Anakin as leader is the big reason I've been able to consistently cash out in the top 5 on my shard. There's certainly worse zetas out there.

Lol, yeah I exaggerated a little too much there. I would certainly zeta QGJ before Phasma, and Asajj at least. I equate a zQGJ to Kylo. Long ago, believe it or not, he wasn't a terrible toon. I loved going up against Dooku pre protection and pre counters going to taunts. Having reset abilities half the time was pretty cool. I made it to #1 on a daily basis. But having Kylo put a target on my back. Not because he was a bad toon but because people perceived it that way.

The same holds true for zQGJ. On paper, he's pretty BA. In game, he puts a target on your back. And it's not because he's different. It's because people have already figured out it's really easy to beat.

But I digress. It's your choice. I used Kylo because I enjoyed it. Use your QGJ.

"sying;856064" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;855987" wrote:

"sying;855936" wrote:
I think it's pretty apparent that neither your nor my team will automatically hold position. My point is, Zader and Zaul teams have a much easier time holding position. If you don't mind having to win back 5, 10, or even 20 positions every day then by all means use the zeta on QGJ and fight away. But if you like constantly staying in the top ten, five or even top three and having a much easier time in arena then don't waste your time putting a zeta on QGJ and use it where it do some good.

I seriously don't understand how you're not understanding my argument. zQGJ teams are relatively easy to kill for all teams and you will be targeted way more often than not.

The only toon that's a bigger waste of a zeta is chewie.

I'm not sure that I can take your argument seriously after you say this is the second worst zeta behind chewie. His zeta and swapping him for Anakin as leader is the big reason I've been able to consistently cash out in the top 5 on my shard. There's certainly worse zetas out there.

Lol, yeah I exaggerated a little too much there. I would certainly zeta QGJ before Phasma, and Asajj at least. I equate a zQGJ to Kylo. Long ago, believe it or not, he wasn't a terrible toon. I loved going up against Dooku pre protection and pre counters going to taunts. Having reset abilities half the time was pretty cool. I made it to #1 on a daily basis. But having Kylo put a target on my back. Not because he was a bad toon but because people perceived it that way.

The same holds true for zQGJ. On paper, he's pretty BA. In game, he puts a target on your back. And it's not because he's different. It's because people have already figured out it's really easy to beat.

But I digress. It's your choice. I used Kylo because I enjoyed it. Use your QGJ.

We can agree to disagree here. You can easily cash out in the top 5, sometimes number 1, using QGJ zeta which is my end goal, even though sometimes I may wake up at 15. I don't really like using him as leader, but I like using Jedi and he's about three steps ahead of any other Jedi as far as leader abilities go right now.

There's one in my top 10. Stays there pretty consistently. I think it's because there are too many people nervous about fighting it. I have no issue with it, running Palp, TFP, STHan, Wiggs. It's easier than just about any shoretrooper squad for me. But it does seem to hold well on my server.

Thank you all for the feedback you are amazing :wink:

I've decided to save it,only because the devs announced an update on February. And that only if another Jedi gets an awesome zeta ability (hoping for Ani). Otherwise, I hope that till then I'll be close to my 2nd- for Yoda and I'll zeta them together for a strong pvp team..!