I think it is human nature to feel valued and have a perception of value. The Mod debacle has highlighted that a majority of us feel betrayed both those who put in early and purchased of crystals and credits for naught and the later who want to catchup but can't due to the rubbish drop rates. Basically both the past and the future all have been burned.This has lead to (because of the shock loss of value) for players to evaluate their collections and realize that the hours which they have invested in this game was not of value at all. I won't outline precrafting et al because that is not the crux of my observation. It is the betrayal of the community which now has caused many P2P players to F2P. (Not to mention those who have quit outright)How can you get these players back? Will freebies do it ? IMHO No it will not. The only way forward now is to prove to the players/payers that the original game that we installed and its quality is in the future development. Communication is the key here.Will this affect the new incoming players ? Probably not and I hope for the sake of the game you don't get any who remember and understand what happened to us in the last couple weeks. I am classed prior to the mod nerf as kraken and I will be going F2P as my new challenge.

You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days. So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay.

"ChrisZovy;566458" wrote:You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days. So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay. lmao, the epitome of P2W mentality. Why even bother "playing"...

"ChrisZovy;566458" wrote:You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days. So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay. Wait, what? As p2p you didn't feel like all the money you spent on gear was totally wasted since it all become obsolete overnight? Many people spent thousands on gear and hundreds of hours just to wake up and find that overnight that investment in the game was for nothing.

"Pokebreaker;566465" wrote:"ChrisZovy;566458" wrote:You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days. So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay. lmao, the epitome of P2W mentality. Why even bother "playing"...Exactly. I have quit games that I payed to win before cause it's so boring without decent competion and wins are meaningless when you only get them cause of your pocketbook.

I don't know that the devs are incompetent. The decisions are not being based on what is best for the status of the game but what will bring in the most revenue. EA is, and has always been, a micro-transaction company. Be it mobile apps, pc or console games. Their priority is milking their customers for everything they are worth. Looking at the update through that prism, the update was probably working exactly as intended. However, I don't believe they anticipated the backlash from the community. The EA business model is to push their customers to the breaking point and SLOWLY creep back before they throw up their hands and say, "forget it" The only mistake they made, in their eyes, was pushing too far too fast.

Why are we loosing P2P players? | EA Forums

54 Replies

ChrisZovy
9 years ago
You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days.

So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay.
Pokebreaker
Seasoned Veteran
9 years ago
"ChrisZovy;566458" wrote:
You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days.

So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay.

lmao, the epitome of P2W mentality. Why even bother "playing"...
WarrMonkey
9 years ago
"ChrisZovy;566458" wrote:
You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days.

So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay.

Wait, what? As p2p you didn't feel like all the money you spent on gear was totally wasted since it all become obsolete overnight? Many people spent thousands on gear and hundreds of hours just to wake up and find that overnight that investment in the game was for nothing.
WarrMonkey
9 years ago
"Pokebreaker;566465" wrote:
"ChrisZovy;566458" wrote:
You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days.

So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay.

lmao, the epitome of P2W mentality. Why even bother "playing"...

Exactly. I have quit games that I payed to win before cause it's so boring without decent competion and wins are meaningless when you only get them cause of your pocketbook.
Piercev3
9 years ago
I don't know that the devs are incompetent. The decisions are not being based on what is best for the status of the game but what will bring in the most revenue. EA is, and has always been, a micro-transaction company. Be it mobile apps, pc or console games. Their priority is milking their customers for everything they are worth. Looking at the update through that prism, the update was probably working exactly as intended. However, I don't believe they anticipated the backlash from the community. The EA business model is to push their customers to the breaking point and SLOWLY creep back before they throw up their hands and say, "forget it" The only mistake they made, in their eyes, was pushing too far too fast.
Itscaptainphasm
9 years ago
Personally I wouldnt care if I was EA. I think forum members only make up 1-2% of the playerbase.
Itscaptainphasm
9 years ago
"ZarLatho;566730" wrote:
"ItsJarJarBinkz;566723" wrote:
Personally I wouldnt care if I was EA. I think forum members only make up 1-2% of the playerbase.

Doesn't that 1-2% represent the larger whole? Or do people really only show up when they're peeved? I came looking for tips, only later realized it was a good place to vent about ineptitudes and cash grabs and whatever.

Since I'm here all the time I believe most people just come here to complain. Barley ever does someone come here and say something positive. So that's why it seems like the forum is always negative. Its pretty much this, how many people call customer service and say how well they like the product? Pretty much no one. That's why everyone was here conplaining about the 1st gen mods and when they fixed them they all disapeared.
pac0naut
9 years ago

"ChrisZovy;566458" wrote:
You have lost P2P players like myself because we are happy to spend money on a game but we refuse to spend money and have it devalued based on the ranting of F2P players who didn't like a change and the weak developers who caved to the reaction in two days.

So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay.

Huh? It wasn't the f2p players complaining ONLY. Nobody remembers Ti posting about mods and effectively shutting their spending down?
pac0naut
9 years ago
I posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating here (partially abridged):

It took me 1.3 millionish credits to level 6 mods for ONE toon to get them all from level 1 to level 15 and now it costs triple the amount.

It already costs 4.6 million credits plus training droids to level a toon from 1-80. That doesn't even account for the stars. Stars from level level 4 to level 7 are 1.75 million. Now account for gear crafting costs and purple mat costs. I don't have those figures as they vary per toon. Now stick 3 million on top of that for mods. We're looking at minimum 10 MILLION CREDITS to max a toon. IF you can complete GW, GW now awards:

511k total for completion
435,300 total for completing node 11
363,900 total for completing node 10

So, basically, it would take you 20+ days to max a toon depending on various factors. Also, count the cost of equipping mods and removing them for maximum results.

They put that carrot WAY out in front of the horse and killed it.

To elaborate more, it was too much, too soon, paying players saw it for what it was and said forget it. It totally disrupted the flow of the game, paying payers came to a screeching halt and said ENOUGH. Just a week ago, everything we purchased (scanners from shipments, anyone?) was nerfed to the ground from 40% potency to 10% potency (and yes, I understand the number rework). Stars didn't matter, gear didn't matter and Level didn't matter. It was a hard reset with barely a warning other than a teaser picture. Also, mods for those 48 hours COMPLETELY broke raids, Arena to a point and every other facet of the game. There's still gear that doesn't appear (the blank gears past X or XI). THAT would have been a natural progression of the game. This was precraft 2.0 on a grander scale.

I'll bet players are wishing now that the level cap was raised to 90 instead of mods being introduced. Money still would have been spent but a lot of people threatened to quit over that too if it came too soon.
Azraelrulez
9 years ago
Didn't like the initial mods update, OK with the present one. But, still going F2P from a very high spending P2P (have almost all the exclusive toons). I was one of those guys always working on some extra toons, didn't hoard anything. Spent every credit, energy and crystals building a diverse roster. Trying to be prepared for a meta change, a new direction, new raids. As much as I can be. Credit crunch was always there so I managed upgrades, spent crystals only for new toons/ parts and energy refreshes (credit packs are too much of a hustle, couldn't bring myself to purchase them).

Now, I see there is no way I can play as I used to, not without becoming a whale. I just cannot work on diversity as a P2P. I'll have to concentrate on modding up my Arena team, at least 10 toons for GW,then start on levelling and upgrading all the toons I have so that I can complete the mod challenges. It cannot be done, not with my aversion to the outright cash grab the credit packs are. Everything needs credits and there's none on sight.

As F2P, I can and will take things slowly. And I won't be mad once EA opens up more avenues for spending credits while squeezing whatever sources you already had. I will no longer worry that EA doesn't understand how I can justify spending cash on Rex or Rey or any of the Star Wars toons but I really am going to hate being forced to spend on generic virtual currency. All of us know this, the credit crunch is going to get worse. All hail the Galaxy of Credits. Buy as much as you can cos you sure can't earn them. Unless you're a F2P and are willing to grind and manage. So... I'll manage.