Looking at the meta report this morning is just... depressing. You have three toons that are used more than 73% of the time in top teams which are obviously R2, CLS, and GK. 6 toons are used 40% of the time which are Han Solo, DN, and Thrawn. I currently have 3 of the 6 at g11 or higher so I have "followed" the meta but this seems obvious. You simply cannot compete without those 6 toons or at least most of them. What other data do you need that those toons are in need of a nerf? Why would you not WANT your game to have multiple teams, multiple decisions, and, I dunno, some strategy?

It's called power creep. You add toons that are more powerful than the previous or people will consider them worthless.Every game like this has power creep. If it doesn't your user base shrinks fast.

Part of the reason is tb and mods. You have limited good mods. Most people don't want to constantly switch them. So if you want to do well, you might as well leave your best mods on light side toons that are good for tb and arena. That basically means cls r2 and gk. The other fact is that all 3 are really good at plug and play. Stick them in whatever team you want and it will work well. None of this means they need a nerf.

Like pretty much any other game, there will be some people that break this stuff down to the minute detail and find whatever advantage they can. There will always be a "meta" team because there are some smart people who will always figure out the "best" characters to run in arena. With over 100 characters, each with different powersets, it would be impossible for them to completely balance the game as they can't account for every possible team composition that someone could face. As for the characters you've mentioned, GK and Han are raid rewards.....CLS, Thrawn and R2 came from legendary events....so it stands to reason that the best characters would be the hardest ones to acquire.

This is just the result of a series of op toon released one after each other on the last 6 monthsGK, DN, R2, Thrawn, CLS...CLS allowed the return of some toon, thanks to a opiopé rework (Zolo).And be sure hermit yoda is coming...

You can beat those 6 chars without having any of them. There you have diversity, figure it out. Crit hit immunity is by far the most valuable buff right now, reduces their damage output significantly so get your 3 star shoretrooper out. Go on, build something around it.

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cuyler41
8 years ago
There is very little diversity in arena. Fact.

You can use alternative facts all you like. The only one buying it is you. The proof is right there for all to see. #kiddingyourself
Faithhz
8 years ago
"cuyler41;c-1285534" wrote:
There is very little diversity in arena. Fact.

You can use alternative facts all you like. The only one buying it is you. The proof is right there for all to see. #kiddingyourself

Just because people aren't being diverse doesn't mean there is NO diversity/variety. If you're trying to play the "facts" game, at least get an understanding of what diversity means.

You've claimed the following;

"cuyler41;c-1276127" wrote:
Han zolo stuns thrawn at the start and this team is toast. Period. It requires luck and lots of rng for empire team to beat a good cls team. It's 50/50 at best and that's on offense.

And I've shown a video that proved you wrong;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6XlgH9-H-4

"50/50 at best".. Lol, your knowledge of the game is poor. They just completely walked over it. Proof is right there LITERALLY to see.
cuyler41
8 years ago
"Faa;c-1285888" wrote:
"cuyler41;c-1285534" wrote:
There is very little diversity in arena. Fact.

You can use alternative facts all you like. The only one buying it is you. The proof is right there for all to see. #kiddingyourself

Just because people aren't being diverse doesn't mean there is NO diversity/variety. If you're trying to play the "facts" game, at least get an understanding of what diversity means.

You've claimed the following;

"cuyler41;c-1276127" wrote:
Han zolo stuns thrawn at the start and this team is toast. Period. It requires luck and lots of rng for empire team to beat a good cls team. It's 50/50 at best and that's on offense.

And I've shown a video that proved you wrong;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6XlgH9-H-4

"50/50 at best".. Lol, your knowledge of the game is poor. They just completely walked over it. Proof is right there LITERALLY to see.

Thrawn does not get stunned first in your video. Yes they can win sometimes. Congrats on proving what we a ready know. Why don't you add so.ething new to the conversation instead of trolling kitten
Faithhz
8 years ago
"cuyler41;c-1286014" wrote:

Thrawn does not get stunned first in your video. Yes they can win sometimes. Congrats on proving what we a ready know. Why don't you add so.ething new to the conversation instead of trolling ****

Here he does; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZueO-qyQc

Isn't that new? Also, do you have any swgoh meta report numbers that it is 50/50?

https://i.imgur.com/E7ANTNP.png

With a 50/50 you don't get rank 2 consistently (they have an agreement that he's taking 2) on a near-launch shard. And no you didn't know what I told you - let me quote it again;

"cuyler41;c-1286014" wrote:
Han zolo stuns thrawn at the start and this team is toast. Period. It requires luck and lots of rng for empire team to beat a good cls team. It's 50/50 at best and that's on offense.

I've seen it plenty of times he did manage to reliably beat a full G12 zeta'ed squad consisting of CLS at 277 - Han at 230 - R2 at 270 - Thrawn at 275 - GK at 242. Yes that's 8 zeta's there :>

Difference is, he pulls it off and you're struggling with your mental discomfort holding on to contradictory beliefs.
Zolaz2
8 years ago
So, there is diversity if you can beat CLS with a fully loaded TM Resistance squad in GW? Non CLS teams are viable if you can TM lock and have it where CLS and crew never get a turn? That sounds like the complete opposite.

The other example of zSTH, Old Ben, R2, GK, Zarris and DN is a little better for the Arena. However, I dont think you are proving the diversity of the game. CLS teams can beat over 75% of the teams and that is a low ball figure.

Just look at the numbers.
https://swgoh.gg/meta-report/
aeaswen
8 years ago
"Zolaz;c-1286271" wrote:
So, there is diversity if you can beat CLS with a fully loaded TM Resistance squad in GW? Non CLS teams are viable if you can TM lock and have it where CLS and crew never get a turn? That sounds like the complete opposite.

The other example of zSTH, Old Ben, R2, GK, Zarris and DN is a little better for the Arena. However, I dont think you are proving the diversity of the game. CLS teams can beat over 75% of the teams and that is a low ball figure.

Just look at the numbers.
https://swgoh.gg/meta-report/

CLS teams can beat 100% of the team.
GaidalCain_WOT
8 years ago
I run Thrawn lead and as long as he doesn't get killed before I can use him I can still win even if he gets stunned off the bat.

I've even had the occasion (rare) where he dies almost immediately and I can still pull out a win against meta CLS squads.

That being said, arena is the least diverse I have ever seen it since starting back in April 2016.

There are 2 DS leads in my top 50 (including myself :\ ) and my mostly G12 Empire team still struggles on defense even with really good mods.

CLS is more cheesy than Wiggs ever was.
FierceRevan
8 years ago

Why is diversity not encouraged?

It is against TOS
cuyler41
8 years ago
"Faa;c-1286159" wrote:
"cuyler41;c-1286014" wrote:

Thrawn does not get stunned first in your video. Yes they can win sometimes. Congrats on proving what we a ready know. Why don't you add so.ething new to the conversation instead of trolling ****

Here he does; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZueO-qyQc

Isn't that new? Also, do you have any swgoh meta report numbers that it is 50/50?

https://i.imgur.com/E7ANTNP.png

With a 50/50 you don't get rank 2 consistently (they have an agreement that he's taking 2) on a near-launch shard. And no you didn't know what I told you - let me quote it again;

"cuyler41;c-1286014" wrote:
Han zolo stuns thrawn at the start and this team is toast. Period. It requires luck and lots of rng for empire team to beat a good cls team. It's 50/50 at best and that's on offense.

I've seen it plenty of times he did manage to reliably beat a full G12 zeta'ed squad consisting of CLS at 277 - Han at 230 - R2 at 270 - Thrawn at 275 - GK at 242. Yes that's 8 zeta's there :>

Difference is, he pulls it off and you're struggling with your mental discomfort holding on to contradictory beliefs.

Your proof of diversity is that you know a guy who colludes so he can finish 2nd in arena?
aeaswen
8 years ago
"cuyler41;c-1286404" wrote:
"Faa;c-1286159" wrote:
"cuyler41;c-1286014" wrote:

Thrawn does not get stunned first in your video. Yes they can win sometimes. Congrats on proving what we a ready know. Why don't you add so.ething new to the conversation instead of trolling ****

Here he does; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZueO-qyQc

Isn't that new? Also, do you have any swgoh meta report numbers that it is 50/50?

https://i.imgur.com/E7ANTNP.png

With a 50/50 you don't get rank 2 consistently (they have an agreement that he's taking 2) on a near-launch shard. And no you didn't know what I told you - let me quote it again;

"cuyler41;c-1286014" wrote:
Han zolo stuns thrawn at the start and this team is toast. Period. It requires luck and lots of rng for empire team to beat a good cls team. It's 50/50 at best and that's on offense.

I've seen it plenty of times he did manage to reliably beat a full G12 zeta'ed squad consisting of CLS at 277 - Han at 230 - R2 at 270 - Thrawn at 275 - GK at 242. Yes that's 8 zeta's there :>

Difference is, he pulls it off and you're struggling with your mental discomfort holding on to contradictory beliefs.

Your proof of diversity is that you know a guy who colludes so he can finish 2nd in arena?

Yes lol. One team he knows. That proves it.