Will The Separatist Rework Be Meta Defying?

"Kokie;c-1769547" wrote:
Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:
Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)

I really adore the character, but what you are saying is not completey correct. During Jedi Civil War, Revan acted as something like a commander of special operations team.
Yes, he've accomplished wide series of critical tasks such as: sabotaging enemy's main war production facility, assasinating a number of enemy war leaders, obliteration of sith training academy and etc. And no, he never won this war all by himself. There were whole the Republic and Jedi Order that kept most of enemy fleet and army busy so that Revan could keep doing his thing. The fact that you can only see the picture from his single point of view in this game doesn't mean that everybody else in Old Republic were just derping around.
Basically, it would be like saying that Frodo defeated Sauron all by himslef.

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:
Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

They weren't really weak compared to their enemy. Palpatine's stealth action and intrigue granted him an upper hand. He played this card well, that's it. Don't forget that it took whole Separatist and ARC armies with a few force-user turncoats on top of it to bring the entire Jedi Order down for good.

Why are you people arguing about canon when it comes to this game? There was a time when Poggle the Lesser was a viable leader - or Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi who died to a half-rate Sith.
Personally, so long as Grievous can counter Revan/Bastilla, and the Separatist droids aid in taking down other meta and near-meta (ie Nightsisters), but they can be taken down by already existing factions (so there won't be a need for another Revan Fiasco) I'll be happy

"Alijar1;c-1769667" wrote:
Personally, so long as Grievous can counter Revan/Bastilla

That would be an absolute nonsense.
Grievous should counter Nightsisters, as he actually did in canon. But NOT the squad with toughest Jedi of all time.
Typical JKR teams does include GMY and/or GK. GK was a canon hardcounter for GG, and GMY is even stronger as a Jedi.
There are a number of people around who bothered farming 11 toons (one of them from HAAT Raid) to assemble a team with two legendaries and one raid toon.
You never did that.
Because, ugh, why bother if one day you can simply step forward and say "Alright, they've had it for long enough, now devs pls make these easy-peasy obtainable toons stomp that cool raid/legendaries like Mac Truck, and I'll be happy, and btw I don't care it's against canon".
Great way of thinking, dude.

"Revan_Presence;c-1769690" wrote:

"Alijar1;c-1769667" wrote:
Personally, so long as Grievous can counter Revan/Bastilla

That would be an absolute nonsense.

It's a current meta, and each meta needs a counter. Revan counters Treya, Treya counters Palpatine, Palpatine counters Rebels, and so on. If GG counters Revan, then the rest of the Separatist Droids can counter the rest - B2 can quite easily counter GMY if it manages to land a Buff Immunity, and if it doesn't (and GMY doesn't have a Zeta on his Battle Meditation or the B2 rework can go through foresight) he can just dispel all of the buffs he gives.
Besides, you missed an essential part of my point - the game doesn't give a damn about what's canon or not. Why does R2D2 counter the Darth Maul lead teams, despite never meeting in canon? Because the game needed a counter to the evasion meta.
Although from your name, I'm sensing a bias.

"Revan_Presence;c-1769653" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:
Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)

I really adore the character, but what you are saying is not completey correct. During Jedi Civil War, Revan acted as something like a commander of special operations team.
Yes, he've accomplished wide series of critical tasks such as: sabotaging enemy's main war production facility, assasinating a number of enemy war leaders, obliteration of sith training academy and etc. And no, he never won this war all by himself. There were whole the Republic and Jedi Order that kept most of enemy fleet and army busy so that Revan could keep doing his thing. The fact that you can only see the picture from his single point of view in this game doesn't mean that everybody else in Old Republic were just derping around.
Basically, it would be like saying that Frodo defeated Sauron all by himslef.

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:
Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

They weren't really weak compared to their enemy. Palpatine's stealth action and intrigue granted him an upper hand. He played this card well, that's it. Don't forget that it took whole Separatist and ARC armies with a few force-user turncoats on top of it to bring the entire Jedi Order down for good.

I accept your points on Revans role in the sith vs republic war question.
Onboarding their primary factory and using battle meditation was quite crucial, but yes, you also needed the republic army to take advantage of it.

Regarding yoda and kenobi, however, i disagree. They both attempted to duel the sith lord, and both failed. Even their savior/messiah luke failed his duel.
Revan, however, easily beat the dark lord (Malak), despite Malak being surrounded by dark force strengthener devices.

"Revan_Presence;c-1768210" wrote:

"vincentlondon;c-1767564" wrote:
Grievious will be a jedi killer, therefore Grievious squad will counter Revan's squad

General Grievous + New Droids + Separatist Rework = Revan Slayers

That would be super stupid.

General Grievous, a cyborg that got pretty much soloed by a single jedi in canon... As a counter for a best jedi there is?

Reworking the worst-of-the-worst faction ever to be a hard counter for the best jedi team so far, really?

Jedi were an easy prey for ages. This faction was pretty much useless until Bastila became f2p. Now, it's only been like half a year since Jedi started to be competitive. Sure, why not just drop them back into abyss? That's one great way to punish all who whaled to get JKR the first time, and all those who've put an effort to get him the second time.

Actually, if droids were so good then why would good old Palps need Vader to bring Jedi Order down?

If you want a hard counter for Revan, it's Emperor Vitiate. He's kind of a self-made God of Death in Star Wars Universe. And the one who actually defeated Revan. Like, twice.

Palp used every instrument available for him. Vader was just a final piece to his solution.

And the words about GG? Omg. GG has a wide collection of jedi lightsabers who killed by GG. And jedis tried very hard to put him down but all fail until Kenobi finally defeated him after countless tries.

GG was a ridiculously difficult farm in this game for some of us in the early days. Anyone who tells you otherwise clearly didn't farm him.

Personally Ive been waiting 2.5 years for this rework. I sure hope he can take down revan.

This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

I'm certainly hoping that grev can take out revan squads, because with the second round of revans, arena has become quite stale. Where there used to be traya, cls, and revan, now there's just solid revan. Doesn't help the the falcon has done the same thing to fleet (at least there you can see what's going on without half the screen green).

If greivous can topple revan but is weaker against sith, ns, or cls, then hopefully we'll see more variety return to arena as revan players juggle various squads to counter him. That seems like a healthy correction to me.