Will The Separatist Rework Be Meta Defying?

"kalidor;c-1769744" wrote:
I'm certainly hoping that grev can take out revan squads, because with the second round of revans, arena has become quite stale. Where there used to be traya, cls, and revan, now there's just solid revan. Doesn't help the the falcon has done the same thing to fleet (at least there you can see what's going on without half the screen green).

If greivous can topple revan but is weaker against sith, ns, or cls, then hopefully we'll see more variety return to arena as revan players juggle various squads to counter him. That seems like a healthy correction to me.

Yes (and i have a maxed Revan) and i Hope palpamobil will do the same rebalance for fleets since Falcon (even at easy 5* unlock) warped fleets Like Revan (which deserved at moneywise at his First round).

I really hope Grievous and Friends are a real contender soon.

"Altazarus;c-1769780" wrote:
Well, traditionally very strong jedi were always opposed by very strong sith. Of course, the books have little to do with the game. Still, Traya led sith can do well against Revan, are people saying it is a good idea to make Traya (hardest raid that encouraged people to spend to get specific well performing teams for each stage) and Revan (who together with Chewie was the greatest cash collection char for the developers) obsolete by promoting a toon we get full for free? I understand that those sand people and jawa toons may look like the most desired thing to beat everything for somebody, but actually showing everyone that spending any money is the worst you can even do, would result in the game dying off very, very fast. I would not spend a cent if all newly released toons get smashed in 2 months by a reworked old-time toon I farm for free, right?

Players bought B2 once or Jango (or aurra, embo for a BH RAID Team which now is useless with Revan or C3). Game still continues and CG earn a Lot of money. Spending once doesnt means you profit endless times (hello Mobile Games). Its Up to you to spend again If Meta changes.

Newer or midgame Players maybe have not everyone FTP Farm or the Gear (very true for seperatist droids, which means Money for CG If they do it right).

"Revan_Presence;c-1768825" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1768279" wrote:
First of all, Grievous wasn’t a pushover in terms of killing Jedi, and revan wasn’t the best Jedi there was. (That would be yoda, or in legends, GM Luke). Grievous was regarded as the greatest Jedi killer of all time behind Vader. (and grievous isn’t even force sensitive)

GG was killing Jedi who forgot how to fight after centuries of peace. As of the Old Rpublic era, there were Great Hyperspace War, Great Sith War, Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War. Learn canon and try judging by the enemies, at least. GG was killed by a single jedi, Obi-Wan Kenobi, who almost got smashed by Jango Fett, the single mandalorian. Revan led a war against whole army of Mando'ade and single-handedly defeated their War Leader, Mand'alor the Ultimate. As of Yoda and Luke, they both got defeated by Emperor Palpatine. And Palpatine is nothing if compared to Emperor Vitiate, the one who never needed no fleet, no tool like Death Star, and no army but himself to wipe out every living thing on entire planet.

"Georgemi6;c-1768279" wrote:
Secondly, the Jedi have had their time in the sun, being pretty much unchallenged in every part of the game since revan dropped. Separatists have never had any glory (except B2, and the bugs in fleet) and if they are a counter to Jedi, that doesn’t mean they’ll counter sith, rebels, NS, resistance, BH, and whatever other meta or semi meta teams are out there.

You are so wrong. The sith ruled over the arena for centuries, which isn't really canon-wise. In canon, no sith reign lasted long after being caught in Jedi iron sights.

"Georgemi6;c-1768279" wrote:
In short, the GG and the seps are worthy of being a counter to Jedi, and although they might be a foil to the dominance of revan in arena, that doesn’t mean they’ll eclipse everyone.

GG should be reworked in order to be competetive against jedi teams. But not to the point where he'll be able to stomp Revan or Bastila lead. That would be such a nonsense. Bastila's battle meditation were strongest in the entire Star Wars history, and Revan was the greatest jedi War Leader. Absolutely no droid should be able to top it.

Ugh.... we’re really doing this? Alright here goes nothing...

1st paragraph: Since you speak of the conquests or revan as fact, I will assume you are using legends continuity. Your argument about GG losing to Kenobi is moot, because mace windu himself stated that kenobi was the only Jedi that could defeat grievous, not because obiwan was better at attacking, but because he was the physical embodiment of the defensive form of lightsaber combat, form 3 soresu. Grievous was attacking 20 times a second against obi wan, but his defense was so utterly impenetrable that Grievous couldn’t touch him.

And I don’t know why you are talking about jango and mand’alor the ultimate in your comparison, because for all we know, jango could’ve been the better fighter of the 2 (he himself was mand’alor at the time, and also killed 6 Jedi with his bare hands in front of count dooku). And in his fight with kenobi, they were evenly matched, and only really won because boba helped him out in the slave 1 a bunch (and even still all he did was make obi wan fall off a building, which he easily survived). And if we’re really gonna get specific, this is Obi wan in attack of the clones, and the one that fought grievous had 3 more years of experience.

As for Luke and yoda, they are more powerful than revan. If you noticed I said GM Luke, meaning grand master Luke, aka the person George Lucas himself said was the most powerful Jedi of all time. And about Luke losing to Palpatine, Luke had just become a Jedi, and also didn’t want to fight any more after he threw his lightsaber after defeating Vader.

And the worst mistake in your argument is comparing Palpatine to vitiate. Yoda lost to Palpatine, yes, but that was only because Palpatine was the strongest sith the galaxy had ever known. In the novelisation of ROTS, yoda thinks during the fight with Palpatine something like “I am the Jedi orders greatest warrior, but my light is nothing to the darkness that this sith represents.” Sidious would destroy vitiate. Vitiate was skilled yes, but his highest power came from sith magic and other tricks. Sidious was not only the best lightsaber duelist in the galaxy (depending on whether you believe he threw the fight with windu or not) but his force powers were also only second to anakin’s. They go over this a bit more in the plagueis novel.

Paragraph 2: I can’t tell if you understood my argument. I meant the Jedi in the arena, not in cannon. Plus, Grievous isn’t force sensitive as I’m sure you know, which means he isn’t a sith. He was made to do one thing, kill Jedi (and he’s also pretty good at killing night sisters too) so if there’s something he should be able to do in arena, it should be that.

Paragraph 3: I see you agree that grievous should be reworked to be competative against competative jedi teams. I’m glad we can find some common ground. But you said he shouldn’t be able to “stomp revan or bastilla lead.” What other competative Jedi leaders are there? GMY? GK? Qui gon? Yoda isn’t nearly as effective as Bastilla or revan, and was obsolete as a leader after bastilla dropped right after his rework. GK lead died when JTR was introduced. QGJ hasn’t been used since early 2017.

And you say bastilla’s battle meditation would be effective against grievous in a straight fight. “In order to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi, you mast have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side.” -count dooku. Grievous didn’t give the Jedi time to think when he fought them, much less time to run back to a Star ship to hide and meditate.

Revan is not the best Jedi. I will concede that he may have been the best “war leader,” however a 5v5 battle hardly translates to a war. These kinds of battles are grievous’s bread and butter, especially if the enemy have never fought against or even heard of him before.

In fact, I don’t even know why we’re having this debate. This game has never been accurate to Star Wars cannon. I guess what it comes down to is passion. You revan fanboys are so obsessed with an old video game character that you refuse to accept it when simple things like balancing and reworks happen and taint the image of your dear revan senpai, or your waifu bastilla (or you do dumb things like call grievous a droid). I guarantee that if sith revan or malak was released as a counter, you wouldn’t even protest.

If grievous can beat revan in arena, it’ll just be better for the health of the game. People will be happy, Order will be restored, and the most requested rework in the entire game will be fulfilled.

"Eddiemundie;c-1767154" wrote:
For all u know GG gives GK a new skill:
“If General Kenobi is on the opposing team, he gains a new skill: Hello there

Hello there: General Kenobi takes out a blaster and instantly defeats General Grievous.

Let this happen plz.

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:

"Kokie;c-1769547" wrote:
Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

"Georgemi6;c-1769890" wrote:
(or you do dumb things like call grievous a droid).

Even the game calls him a droid.

"Ephran;c-1770107" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:

"Kokie;c-1769547" wrote:
Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

"Georgemi6;c-1769890" wrote:
and the most requested rework in the entire game will be fulfilled.

Is Mace finally being made usable?

"7AnimalMother;c-1770142" wrote:

"Ephran;c-1770107" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:

"Kokie;c-1769547" wrote:
Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.

"Ephran;c-1770145" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;c-1770142" wrote:

"Ephran;c-1770107" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1769605" wrote:

"Kokie;c-1769547" wrote:
Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.

Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.