Zombie Rework

"AndySCovell;c-1640745" wrote:
I’m actually ok with Zombie being reworked.

It’s unfair for players who maxed her before the trick was found out and now can’t out beat paper zombies.

The goal is to max the gear to benefit. Not to keep a toon weaker.

If you read their abilities before gearing them up, then you would’ve known how they work together. It’s not a trick.

I'm happy so many players like using NS. I especially like when players use them in Arena so I can find them and move up after obliterating them in about 60 seconds. Good times!

I do enjoy using NS though, especially all the synergistic effects they have. Just amazing how you can be almost beaten, but one or two moves and you're back to full health and a full team. Quite energizing to play.

"AndySCovell;c-1640745" wrote:
I’m actually ok with Zombie being reworked.

It’s unfair for players who maxed her before the trick was found out and now can’t out beat paper zombies.

The goal is to max the gear to benefit. Not to keep a toon weaker.

I'm also okay with Zombie being reworked. But I hope the changes make it beneficial to still have Ventress L and Talzin Unique zeta'd.

I'm sure dozens have already said this, but I fail to understand why any rework is necessary. If there was a clear imbalance that directly affected PvP, then I'd say, OK, let's look at it. The heart of this rework issue seems to be in direct response to raids. No one is going to bank with this in any way. The weakness of the NS faction against Imperial Troopers has been exposed for some time in arena and TW. Basking in the light of the new Jedi, new bounty hunter reworks and the probable and eventual Old Republic new and improved updates, I don't understand why so much energy is being put into a zombie... everyone knows that you just put a Wall Nut on the front line and plenty of Pea Shooters behind it and he falls right apart :wink:

I agree this is purely about the raid. Devs are upset because it takes 1 week instead of 2 to finish their precious raid.

Edited for language. - EA_Cian

The whole point of the Daka zeta is to have ALLIES die.

Ventress at least gets her bonuses when you kill an enemy, although the NS are specifically designed to be a dying -and-resurrecting faction: it's not like that was hidden. But still a good 1/2 the point of the Ventress Rampage zeta is to have her allies die and resurrect over and over - that's what the pairing with MT does and that's what it was supposed to do.

Talzin's zeta doesn't matter to zombie since zombie is going to revive on its own - it won't need to be brought back by the Leadership zeta and it won't stay dead long enough to get free attacks.

So this whole thing is only about one specific phase of one specific raid: p3 of STR. If you use NS in p4, you're using Ventress lead and going for turnover, not repeated deaths/resurrections (since you don't get free resurrections with Ventress lead). It's going to affect Ventress some, but not that much, outside STR, but it will completely sabotage the Daka zeta outside STR.

So... you're destroying the concept of a dying - and - rising toon because in a raid chock full of special rules already (this does that, healers get extra health, this other thing has this other bonus or penalty) the dying and rising of the zombie bothers you more than the free dying & rising that's going to be going on with MT's leadership?

And you're sabotaging the Daka zeta not just in the raid, but **everywhere** because you can't just have a special rule for zombie behavior in the STR raid (or even just the p3 of the STR raid)?

I'm really curious why this isn't being done as a raid-phase rework rather than a toon-rework. The problem isn't with the toon (if there even is a problem). The problem (if there is a problem) is with the raid behavior.

I just don't get it.

I'm not saying I cool with them reworking zombie now, but one thing that could work is a comprise between the highly geared zombie and the paper zombie. You could give the zombie a suicide attack with a short cooldown. That way it could absorb more damage and then die on command, this could make that whole dynamic work while reconciling both sides of the debate. Would be an interesting boost to the faction, and keep all players content.

"MasterSeedy;c-1642756" wrote:
The whole point of the Daka zeta is to have ALLIES die.

Ventress at least gets her bonuses when you kill an enemy, although the NS are specifically designed to be a dying -and-resurrecting faction: it's not like that was hidden. But still a good 1/2 the point of the Ventress Rampage zeta is to have her allies die and resurrect over and over - that's what the pairing with MT does and that's what it was supposed to do.

Talzin's zeta doesn't matter to zombie since zombie is going to revive on its own - it won't need to be brought back by the Leadership zeta and it won't stay dead long enough to get free attacks.

So this whole thing is only about one specific phase of one specific raid: p3 of STR. If you use NS in p4, you're using Ventress lead and going for turnover, not repeated deaths/resurrections (since you don't get free resurrections with Ventress lead). It's going to affect Ventress some, but not that much, outside STR, but it will completely sabotage the Daka zeta outside STR.

So... you're destroying the concept of a dying - and - rising toon because in a raid chock full of special rules already (this does that, healers get extra health, this other thing has this other bonus or penalty) the dying and rising of the zombie bothers you more than the free dying & rising that's going to be going on with MT's leadership?

And you're sabotaging the Daka zeta not just in the raid, but **everywhere** because you can't just have a special rule for zombie behavior in the STR raid (or even just the p3 of the STR raid)?

I'm really curious why this isn't being done as a raid-phase rework rather than a toon-rework. The problem isn't with the toon (if there even is a problem). The problem (if there is a problem) is with the raid behavior.

I just don't get it.

The whole point isn't necessarily the raid. It's that no character should ever be better at low gear than high gear. Never should a player have to regret gearing up a character too much. More gear should make a better character 100% of the time, in every game mode.

In theory, I completely agree with this idea, even tho I currently take advantage of a low gear Zombie. My only fear is that their solution will simply be a massive nerf to either Zombie, or other Night Sisters. With a 4 Night Sister arena team, I'm definitely worried they're going to butcher my team with a heafty beating from the nerf bat as a poorly thought out solution.

What do you think of my suicide attack solution?

Zombie can get a rework after GG. So get in line :tongue: