First off... let me say, I'm loving the new Sith and Sith updates. I'm actually enjoying Arena again for the first time in a long time. Teams I once found impossible, I'm actually able to defeat with surprising regularity: CLS, GK, JTR, even Nightsisters. But, one thing about that last encounter bothers me. It's Nihilus' Annihilate vs. Nightsister Zombie's Endless Horde.Let me bore you with clearly biased logic—Annihilate: The defeated target cannot be Revived. This ability can't be Evaded and starts on cooldown.Endless Horde: When Nighsister Zombie is defeated while any other Nightsister allies are active, she is Revived with 100% Health and 25% Turn Meter. This Revive can't be prevented.To me, I think Nihilus' Annihilate—being a ZETAFancy Omega—should override Endless Horde's "can't be prevented." Using Annihilate only to see Captain Revive instantly reappear was like a punch to the Midi-chlorians. I understand something like Boba Fett's Execute not cancelling revive, since it doesn't have a Zeta and has such a short cooldown, but Annihilate takes forever to use and the sweet animation alone should prevent the Zombie from even thinking she should show her face on the battlefield ever again.I know that Endless Horde is supposed to make that character feel like many, many, MANY zombies, but when the only two enemies left to defeat are NS Zombie and NS Acolyte who has perma-stealth... I just want to win. Is that so wrong? I rest my case and may the devs have mercy on poor lil' Nihilus. He just wants to Annihilate. Just let him Annihilate.

DN prevents the Old Daka/Ewok Elder style revives (Boba's execute is also an omega and also prevents revives)Zombie can't not be revived, which trumps revive denial

Hm, you're right, this should be changed to better reflect a new zombie taking the place of the old one. To show your feedback is appreciated, the zombie will now revive with full protection instead of without protection. See ya on the holotables.

"DarthSmurfX;d-163792" wrote:I know that Endless Horde is supposed to make that character feel like many, many, MANY zombies, but when the only two enemies left to defeat are NS Zombie and NS Acolyte who has perma-stealth... I just want to win. Is that so wrong?Have you tried AoE attacks? Also there are 5 toons at least (I might be missing some) with AoE dispels. Easy win.

So endless horde is just that. It’s a new zombie not a revive. The wording is really bad on zombie’s kit. It is a totally new zombie replacing the defeated zombie.

It's not a zeta though, it's just an omega.But yea, it was addressed when Zombie was first released, so it's what the developers are intending.

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djohns2000
7 years ago
DN prevents the Old Daka/Ewok Elder style revives (Boba's execute is also an omega and also prevents revives)

Zombie can't not be revived, which trumps revive denial
ARougeRogue
7 years ago
Hm, you're right, this should be changed to better reflect a new zombie taking the place of the old one. To show your feedback is appreciated, the zombie will now revive with full protection instead of without protection. See ya on the holotables.
JacenRoe
7 years ago
"DarthSmurfX;d-163792" wrote:
I know that Endless Horde is supposed to make that character feel like many, many, MANY zombies, but when the only two enemies left to defeat are NS Zombie and NS Acolyte who has perma-stealth... I just want to win. Is that so wrong?

Have you tried AoE attacks? Also there are 5 toons at least (I might be missing some) with AoE dispels. Easy win.
ChickenFett129
7 years ago
So endless horde is just that. It’s a new zombie not a revive. The wording is really bad on zombie’s kit. It is a totally new zombie replacing the defeated zombie.
tyronbiggms
7 years ago
It's not a zeta though, it's just an omega.

But yea, it was addressed when Zombie was first released, so it's what the developers are intending.
darthsmurfx
7 years ago
"TyloRen;c-1501870" wrote:
It's not a zeta though, it's just an omega.

Grrr... Fine. I see you fact-checked my work. Well played, sir.
Chequerdz
7 years ago
Let me try to explain how I see this:

Nihilus: I will kill this freaking Zombie. I will use my Annihilate Technique on him. He will not stand a chance (Evil Laugh)

> Annihilate goes to the top of the stack

Zombie: Holy Crap! he is using his best technique, but I have something up my sleeve :wink: he will be surprise.
Endless Horde Activate.

> Endless Horde goes to the top of the stack
> Annihilate goes to the bottom of the stack.

So, if we follow the resolving of each ability and the prioritization of the stack. Endless Horde should resolve first by the time Nihilus uses Annihilate therefore the Zombie had his ability active and he is back on action.

Note: I used the same reasoning from a popular card game. not my credits.

:D :D
jmille2010
7 years ago
"DarthSmurfX;d-163792" wrote:
First off... let me say, I'm loving the new Sith and Sith updates. I'm actually enjoying Arena again for the first time in a long time. Teams I once found impossible, I'm actually able to defeat with surprising regularity: CLS, GK, JTR, even Nightsisters. But, one thing about that last encounter bothers me. It's Nihilus' Annihilate vs. Nightsister Zombie's Endless Horde.

Let me bore you with clearly biased logic—
Annihilate: The defeated target cannot be Revived. This ability can't be Evaded and starts on cooldown.

Endless Horde: When Nighsister Zombie is defeated while any other Nightsister allies are active, she is Revived with 100% Health and 25% Turn Meter. This Revive can't be prevented.

To me, I think Nihilus' Annihilate—being a ~~ZETA~~Fancy Omega—should override Endless Horde's "can't be prevented." Using Annihilate only to see Captain Revive instantly reappear was like a punch to the Midi-chlorians. I understand something like Boba Fett's Execute not cancelling revive, since it doesn't have a Zeta and has such a short cooldown, but Annihilate takes forever to use and the sweet animation alone should prevent the Zombie from even thinking she should show her face on the battlefield ever again.

I know that Endless Horde is supposed to make that character feel like many, many, MANY zombies, but when the only two enemies left to defeat are NS Zombie and NS Acolyte who has perma-stealth... I just want to win. Is that so wrong?

I rest my case and may the devs have mercy on poor lil' Nihilus. He just wants to Annihilate. Just let him Annihilate.

Canon-wise, this whole thing works in a f*cked up way. You’re killing one Zombie permanently. But there’s another to replace it. It’s... weirdly correct.
bobbafettprime
7 years ago
Aoe dispells?
SamuraiUX
7 years ago
"Canon-wise, this whole thing works in a f*cked up way. You’re killing one Zombie permanently. But there’s another to replace it. It’s... weirdly correct."

This is right. Thematically, when anyone kills that zombie, it's replaced with an entirely different one. If it makes you feel better, you can imagine that Nihilus completely annihilates that zombie - completely, totally, irrevocably. We're talking DUST, MAN.

...it's just that then another one shows up. Oh, well.