Hello all, I have one major question for all of you guys who can understand game mechanics better than I do. There is this guy in my arena shard that runs zPalp team with zSion, zVader, zDN, Thrawn (all skills maxed) beating anything that moves, including Traya and Revan teams.Now you would say this guy has good mods or the opponents has crap ones, thus I made screenshots of his/her team mods vs a descent Revan team mods. Can someone explain me how is that possible?Opposing revan team: zzzRevan, Bastila, GK, Yoda, zJolee (all skills maxed) Screenshots are named Team - Toon.png as I'd rather not give swgoh.gg links without their consent. This is a repeating situation, not some rng. Please, enlighten me.

his whole team makes the move first, it's easy Just read the zEp leadership ability and Vader unique.

I don't think that the sith team will move first.Revan got 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332Vader got 232 + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed) = 328So if I'm not mistaken Vader shouldn't move first. And furthermore: Every jedi starts with tenacity up, making it harder to get the debuffs to hit in the first place. And the leadership only works if debuffs get removed, not if they get resisted.

Let's assume Vader goes first, Vader can't put any debuff to consume with culling blade and gain TM. Also, I believe this assumption is wrong, Vader has 232 speed + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed)=328.Revan now has 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332Revan goes first, marks DN, game is overEdit: Corrected speed calculations based on Ponnek's comment.

"Ponnek;c-1701678" wrote:I don't think that the sith team will move first.Revan got 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332Vader got 232 + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed) = 328So if I'm not mistaken Vader shouldn't move first. And furthermore: Every jedi starts with tenacity up, making it harder to get the debuffs to hit in the first place. And the leadership only works if debuffs get removed, not if they get resisted."chmoAr0ufif0u;c-1701683" wrote:Let's assume Vader goes first, Vader can't put any debuff to consume with culling blade and gain TM. Also, I believe this assumption is wrong, Vader has 232 speed + 8*5 for opponent jedi + 8*5 for ally 312.Revan now has 292 speed + 5*5 for allies 317.Revan goes first, marks DN, game is over@Ponnek is right about the speeds @chmoAr0ufif0u +10 speed for each old republic jedi (Revan, Jolee, Basitla)+5 Speed for each non-old republic jedi (GMY, GK)3*10 + 2*10 = +40 SpeedVader+16 Speed for each empire sith (DV, EP)+8 Speed for each empire only (Thrawn)+8 Speed for each sith only (SIon, DN)+8 Speed for each jedi (Revan,Jolee, Bastila, GMY,GK)16*2 + 8*8 = +96 speed

Even if vador goes first, tenacity up makes him total garbage.You can't win with that team against revan (well even against traya)

Beating Revan with zPalp, how's that possible?

DistavioNi
6 years ago
his whole team makes the move first, it's easy
Just read the zEp leadership ability and Vader unique.
Ponnek
Newcomer
6 years ago
I don't think that the sith team will move first.
Revan got 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332
Vader got 232 + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed) = 328

So if I'm not mistaken Vader shouldn't move first. And furthermore: Every jedi starts with tenacity up, making it harder to get the debuffs to hit in the first place. And the leadership only works if debuffs get removed, not if they get resisted.
pkarampis
6 years ago
Let's assume Vader goes first, Vader can't put any debuff to consume with culling blade and gain TM.
Also, I believe this assumption is wrong, Vader has 232 speed + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed)=328.
Revan now has 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332

Revan goes first, marks DN, game is over

Edit: Corrected speed calculations based on Ponnek's comment.
scuba75
Seasoned Rookie
6 years ago
"Ponnek;c-1701678" wrote:
I don't think that the sith team will move first.
Revan got 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332
Vader got 232 + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed) = 328

So if I'm not mistaken Vader shouldn't move first. And furthermore: Every jedi starts with tenacity up, making it harder to get the debuffs to hit in the first place. And the leadership only works if debuffs get removed, not if they get resisted.

"chmoAr0ufif0u;c-1701683" wrote:
Let's assume Vader goes first, Vader can't put any debuff to consume with culling blade and gain TM.
Also, I believe this assumption is wrong, Vader has 232 speed + 8*5 for opponent jedi + 8*5 for ally 312.
Revan now has 292 speed + 5*5 for allies 317.

Revan goes first, marks DN, game is over

@Ponnek is right about the speeds @chmoAr0ufif0u

+10 speed for each old republic jedi (Revan, Jolee, Basitla)
+5 Speed for each non-old republic jedi (GMY, GK)
3*10 + 2*10 = +40 Speed

Vader
+16 Speed for each empire sith (DV, EP)
+8 Speed for each empire only (Thrawn)
+8 Speed for each sith only (SIon, DN)
+8 Speed for each jedi (Revan,Jolee, Bastila, GMY,GK)

16*2 + 8*8 = +96 speed
Lehach199786
6 years ago
Even if vador goes first, tenacity up makes him total garbage.

You can't win with that team against revan (well even against traya)
pkarampis
6 years ago
Thanks for correcting my numbers Ponnek, even with wrong numbers still Vader doesnt go first
pkarampis
6 years ago
It happens every day now. Guy starts from 40ish, ends up first. Straight line.
pkarampis
6 years ago
Yes, my calculations where wrong, I admitted at first place and edited based on previous comments, thank you as well for correcting me and providing a detailed explanation.

Still though, Vader doesn't go first, yet zpalp team wins vs a revan.
Hoffman72510
6 years ago
He's probably part of the shard chat and they let him up, usually via mod removal or squad change. There's a couple EP on mine too that still manage to pleb their way up .
pkarampis
6 years ago
@Hoffman72510 i am part of the shard chat with that Revan, that's not happening.
On top of that, zPalp and I share payout, I can see that the Revan team has full mods.