9 years ago

Clones (in-depth review)

After having fielded a full clone squad in arena for about a month, I would like to share some synergies and subtleties I hadn't noticed b4. All 7* and gear X except Rex gear XI.

Rex (L) omega Squad Discipline and Subdue
5's omega Dual DC-17 Blasters and Combined Fire
CS omega Z-6 Rotary Blaster
Echo omega By the Book
RG

I tend to open w/ Squad discipline. This serves several purposes. It goads QGJ into stripping it instead of having it available to strip my RG's taunt. It gives me 3 turn immunity to Old Ben and stunners like Daka and RG. It also ensures that as soon as Rex goes, so does the rest of my team due to the tm gain inherent with it.

RG is a beast, but w/ Echo's By the Book...he's awesome. Echo gets targeted 1st typically. His aoe buff strip, assists and allowing everyone to heal for over 1k on a hit, 2k for 5's and RG, he basically mandates it. By omega'ing it, Echo heals when he goes and on his 1st assist for about 1,200 a pop. Why is this so good ? Well, he gets dropped into the yellow, RG taunts, RG's taunt is stripped shortly after...but by then, due to assists, Echo is back in the green and tagging him reactivates RG's taunt.

5's Combined Fire, if he calls any clone, they both do +75% damage, if these r crits, it's great burst and if he calls an offensed up CS, it's brutal. Not to mention, Echo will assist the assisting character frequently (unless he's the 1 called lol) Good way to get around an opposing RG.

Rex's Subdue is the 2nd burst damage. Physical damage +25% of their max health. This is great for dropping a non-tank character from above 50% to dead without triggering their RG. Also, it is really useful vs. an opposing RG that has already triggered taunt. 6k + physical damage that can crit. Total of 10k max...nice hit.

Most ppl I see that run clones, don't run all 4, but w/ CS being the heaviest consistent hitter getting +4.5% crit for each clone ally and 50% tm on a basic crit, he hits hard and fast.

This team is consistently top 10 on a November shard.

I hope this helps some folks interested in a clone squad.

Plz don't share how u would make it better, I am extremely satisfied with how this works. I used to swap RG for Phasma and vice versa, but now that Echo is Gear X, he can take a hit or 2 and RG stays.

Plz do share any synergies, nuances, subtleties I may have missed tho. Thx.

atlwitcher
9 years ago
"aerendhil;476811" wrote:
1) Just how many chromiums do you need to open to get a 7* Echo ?

2) I don't have Echo yet, which toons could I use with the 3 other clones ?
I'm considering =
Rex / 5s / CS / ST Han / Talia (heals Han and TM burst)

I spent 200 bucks to get Echo (more or less). 100 bucks gets you 15K crystal which gets about 6 packs.. I needed 7.5 to a FULL echo to 7*..

so maybe $150.00 once you start buying packs echo appear real quick.. at least for me, each pack I was getting at least 20 shards of Echo, once I got Echo to 6* with 20 shards left I had to get that one more pack and I ended up with like 40 shards over.. which was good since I am working on Grievous.

Quite happy with my Echo. for SURE Well worth time and money... Echo is so much fun just watching that heal \ damage proc..

Also Echo gives 20% turn meter to a random ally..that is below 50% turn meter as well, just an added bonus.
atlwitcher
9 years ago
"Poxx;477742" wrote:
RG doesn't get Echo's heal benefit. My sentence was "with their self-heals from Echo, CLONES get into the green again, re-proccing RG's taunt when hit". I can understand the confusion tho. I mention RG at the start, at the end and discuss heals in the middle.

Just heals for Echo alone increases his survivability one question if we omega his By the Book ability to level 8 what does Bonus Effect Duration + 1 do?

I suspect it will make the heals work for 2 rounds instead of just one?
Vyrefire
9 years ago
Correct, on assist even if it's out of turn, basically everyone gets 2 charges per turn to be used wherever possible
Xio_UK
9 years ago
Not really, it means if Echo takes a turn, then assists someone else in the same turn he heals twice, 14% net. Same for Rex if he assists someone e.g. Fives and takes his own turn using primary, 14%. Basically it means Echo almost always heals 14% as he assists per turn.
Xio_UK
9 years ago
Love my clones, I run:
Rex XI
Echo X
Fives IX
Sun Fac VIII
Leia IX

Echo really comes into force at gear X IMHO plus omegas. I run Leia rather than CS as people simply take CS out immediately removing the squads DPS. Leia with an omega on rebel tactics get perm stealth and sits behind Fives and Sun Fac or RG very nicely unless the opponent has an AoE debuff. Sun Fac is slow so Echo boosts his TM nicely. Between Rex and Echo, Ben / STHan teams are easy kills. I throw Sun Fac in there for dual taunt evade teams.
Poxx70
9 years ago
Echo is the special sauce for the clone team. Are the heals great ? No, but enough to get u back into green health so RG can taunt again when u get hit again. Does he hit hard ? No, but he hits a lot of times. Does the AI use his aoe dispel on taunts all the time? No, but the aoe damage is pretty strong and pulls stealthers out, also gets rid of party-wide offense up from an opposing QGJ and keeps u from wasting an attack to drop Rey's foresight.

So then, why Echo ? The clones shine with tm manipulation. They take enemy tm away using CS's aoe and with 5's and RG, they dish out slows making it take longer for the opposing team to generate tm. They get tm from being critted, CS generates his own, Rex's buff fills their meters and with the sheer number of times Echo goes/assists, he hands out 20% tm to someone under 50% every time he assists or uses his basic on his turn, nearly ensuring everyone on your team is on the verge of their next turn. His presence adds 4.5% crit to CS also.

Now that Leia is f2p, she'll be in perma-stealth hiding behind Old Ben, RG, ST Han etc. on a lot more teams. Who can give u access to killing her ? Very few: Plo Koon lead...not gonna happen. Asaji Ventress...not worth the spot, B2...possible and Echo.

He just fits way too well and has too much utility to not use him in a clone team.
DarthxJay
9 years ago
"Jedi_Yoda;477800" wrote:

Also Echo gives 20% turn meter to a random ally..that is below 50% turn meter as well, just an added bonus.

That is actually a pretty big bonus too which makes this squad so fast.
DarthxJay
9 years ago
"Xioborg;477840" wrote:
Love my clones, I run:
Rex XI
Echo X
Fives IX
Sun Fac VIII
Leia IX

Echo really comes into force at gear X IMHO plus omegas. I run Leia rather than CS as people simply take CS out immediately removing the squads DPS. Leia with an omega on rebel tactics get perm stealth and sits behind Fives and Sun Fac or RG very nicely unless the opponent has an AoE debuff. Sun Fac is slow so Echo boosts his TM nicely. Between Rex and Echo, Ben / STHan teams are easy kills. I throw Sun Fac in there for dual taunt evade teams.

Yeah, Echo is tough to play at gear9 especially if Rey is on the other side. She can FOB him from 25% protection + 100%HP to dead easily.

How do you feel about RG versus SF for your tanks? I really like SF especially with the added taunt removal and crit debuff. On the other hand, even at max gear Echo and RG are soft and having RG's auto-taunt can save the match sometimes.
Xio_UK
9 years ago
Sun Fac is there in my squad to address the various Ben / STHan / Sun Fac / RG combos on my shard top 5. Otherwise you are dependant on Echos one grenade. Offence down on Rey with Sun Facs taunt turns Rey into a normal human. On defence I think the other (recognised) Echo bug is still there where he throws his grenade immediately, when no debuff was needed. If you then get stuck behind an enemy taunt, then it kind of doesn't matter that your RG taunted really IMHO. But yes the auto kick in of RG certainly has merits.
Xio_UK
9 years ago
Forgot to add, I've also tried B2 in the Clone tank slot. Against Ben / STHan / Evade style teams it is game over from them in round one. Seeing STHans taunt being blocked after you've neutralised Ben with Rex brings a smile to your face. Echo triggers off of B2 so shoots like a machine gun at times. However, against non evade style teams it down more to RNG as B2s primary has no real effect, no one is really evading.. So it's down to what it's aoe does and what benefits it can bring. 50-50 success rate, but I will reassess if I every get a droid caller for B2 so I can boost its potency.