Darth Nihilus' Lead Zeta

"MasterJediBrian;d-225084" wrote:
Does anyone know what the Developers were thinking when they okay'd Nihilus' Lead Zeta? It's going along ok, nothing mindblowingly good about it, and then all of a sudden at the end it says, "and Sith allies can't crit." ... Why did they soil his zeta like this? It's not like Sith hit especially early or hard, even with crits.

It's from a time when the highest Gear Level was 11, so it was not as redundant as it is now.
I got some use out of it back in the days of the Rex/GK/Chaze Triple Cleanse Meta , when avoiding Crits helped to reduce their effectiveness.
But nowadays it is pretty useless.

Maybe you should have it removed.

"This is the zeta of a meta, past. Not as OP or complicated as a current meta; a more elegant zeta for a more civilized time."

"MasterJediBrian;c-2070409" wrote:

"SithVicious;c-2070401" wrote:
Maybe you should have it removed.

No, even if you're maimed or limbless or unable to upgrade beyond a Commodore Pet, many good people in this game feel it's a valuable life lesson. And you can't just learn your lesson in a day or week or year. You must learn it until death.

So you now agree your previous zeta giveback threads were barking up the wrong ability tree?

"thecarterologist958;c-2070412" wrote:

"MasterJediBrian;c-2070403" wrote:
No, I agree. If they'd at least allow lighter hitting allies to crit, it may be passable, even respectable.

Never on Tuesdays though, if you're going to add ridiculous conditions you best do it properly.

Therefore never.

"MasterJediBrian;d-225084" wrote:
Does anyone know what the Developers were thinking when they okay'd Nihilus' Lead Zeta? It's going along ok, nothing mindblowingly good about it, and then all of a sudden at the end it says, "and Sith allies can't crit." ... Why did they soil his zeta like this? It's not like Sith hit especially early or hard, even with crits.

Umm... you do realize the "Cannot Crit" part is included in his lvl 1 leader ability, right? This has nothing to do with the zeta. The zeta is bad regardless of the critting, as it only adds 50% health steal.

what year is it?

"Jarvind;c-2070483" wrote:
It was a decent zeta 2 years ago. It sucks now. How is this even a thread.

OR WAS IT?

"MasterJediBrian;d-225084" wrote:
Does anyone know what the Developers were thinking when they okay'd Nihilus' Lead Zeta? It's going along ok, nothing mindblowingly good about it, and then all of a sudden at the end it says, "and Sith allies can't crit." ... Why did they soil his zeta like this? It's not like Sith hit especially early or hard, even with crits.

"MasterJediBrian;c-2070799" wrote:

"littleMAC77;c-2070427" wrote:

"MasterJediBrian;d-225084" wrote:
Does anyone know what the Developers were thinking when they okay'd Nihilus' Lead Zeta? It's going along ok, nothing mindblowingly good about it, and then all of a sudden at the end it says, "and Sith allies can't crit." ... Why did they soil his zeta like this? It's not like Sith hit especially early or hard, even with crits.

Umm... you do realize the "Cannot Crit" part is included in his lvl 1 leader ability, right? This has nothing to do with the zeta. The zeta is bad regardless of the critting, as it only adds 50% health steal.

Someone ought to remind you that a Leader Ability doesn't need to be a zeta, even at Level 8. Well, that renders your entire reply mute now doesn't it. ?

Then why complain about his zeta, when the part of the leadership you don't like is unrelated to the zeta level. Why did you level up a lead that made it so your characters could not crit on the Lvl 1 ability?

"littleMAC77;c-2070808" wrote:

"MasterJediBrian;d-225084" wrote:
Does anyone know what the Developers were thinking when they okay'd Nihilus' Lead Zeta? It's going along ok, nothing mindblowingly good about it, and then all of a sudden at the end it says, "and Sith allies can't crit." ... Why did they soil his zeta like this? It's not like Sith hit especially early or hard, even with crits.

"MasterJediBrian;c-2070799" wrote:

"littleMAC77;c-2070427" wrote:

"MasterJediBrian;d-225084" wrote:
Does anyone know what the Developers were thinking when they okay'd Nihilus' Lead Zeta? It's going along ok, nothing mindblowingly good about it, and then all of a sudden at the end it says, "and Sith allies can't crit." ... Why did they soil his zeta like this? It's not like Sith hit especially early or hard, even with crits.

Umm... you do realize the "Cannot Crit" part is included in his lvl 1 leader ability, right? This has nothing to do with the zeta. The zeta is bad regardless of the critting, as it only adds 50% health steal.

Someone ought to remind you that a Leader Ability doesn't need to be a zeta, even at Level 8. Well, that renders your entire reply mute now doesn't it. ?

Then why complain about his zeta, when the part of the leadership you don't like is unrelated to the zeta level. Why did you level up a lead that made it so your characters could not crit on the Lvl 1 ability?

☝️I'm rarely caught off guard by such incomprehension. The dismay lies in the Leader Ability having a zeta attached to it at all. If it did not have a zeta, it would be just another weak Leader Ability that may be serviceable in the rarest of circumstances.

There was considerable misunderstanding about this one zeta in particular as it wasn't made clear how other sith who regenerate protection would fare under this Leader Ability which converts protection to health prior to battle. Even now, players are still unclear as to whether Dooku's zeta (replenishing protection in part) still fully applies under a DN lead in the form of added health or not. I don't believe it does. But I could be wrong.

The zeta is largely considered dated. Will it ever hold value or be improved? Possibly, but what I object to is people making an honest mistake (due to lack of proper information being provided to them) in a pretty hard world, and not being provided a means of setting things right. The responsibility in some cases is at least shared if not owned by the provider.