Daze Vs Complex abilities

I don’t know why it does this, but this is not the only instance. You cannot target a dazed or stunned ally to assist with others like Ezra or Hera either. Maybe the “cannot assist” part makes them an invalid target.

This is probably to stop players from "wasting" the ability on someone who can't assist. Because we would have complaints if they could target someone to assist even if they weren't able to.

"AvatarofCynicism;c-2050069" wrote:
This is probably to stop players from "wasting" the ability on someone who can't assist. Because we would have complaints if they could target someone to assist even if they weren't able to.

Some characters let you select a dazed toon other do not. I think bastilla is one that can buff someone who then they wont assist if dazed.

Then i would suggest to re-write the description: Target ally and some others come to assist. Then the target assistant and the Ghost gain stealth. This way it would be obvious that the target does not classify as assistant (bc the assist never occured) thus it shouldnt gain stealth either.

Problem is having 2 in stealth in a 3v3 opening is a soft forced taunt for obvious reasons, and whereas the rebel fleet does not require a powerup, i think this is misleading and the effect is weaker than the description.

Topic up!

Finalizer basic ability, second part:
Target ally gains crt dmg up AND IF they are first order, they are coming to assist as well.

You have a dazed UKR on field. you have an undazed Xanadu on field.

Both of the ships are eligible for crt dmg up. None of them can come to assist.
Xanada is valid target for the basic, UKR is not.

This simply beats me.

"SerWulfgar;c-2152714" wrote:
Topic up!

Finalizer basic ability, second part:
Target ally gains crt dmg up AND IF they are first order, they are coming to assist as well.

You have a dazed UKR on field. you have an undazed Xanadu on field.

Both of the ships are eligible for crt dmg up. None of them can come to assist.
Xanada is valid target for the basic, UKR is not.

This simply beats me.

Daze does not allow youFinalizer to select that unit for an ability that has an assist, therefore a dazed UKR is not a valid target for the basic.

Oh, my are we running these circles again? Literally my previous comment:

"Hera can legally target a dazed target with her "Play to strength" ability, which is NOT a complex ability without the zeta upgrade"

"SerWulfgar;c-2152787" wrote:
Oh, my are we running these circles again? Literally my previous comment:

"Hera can legally target a dazed target with her "Play to strength" ability, which is NOT a complex ability without the zeta upgrade"

Fixed it for you. abilities are different and may have different restrictions. and her ability has a dispell attached, which is why it would allow you to target a debuffed. if it is allowing this without the zeta, then that is a bug and should be reported as such.

"Kyno;c-2152746" wrote:


Daze does not allow youFinalizer to select that unit for an ability that has an assist, therefore a dazed UKR is not a valid target for the basic.

Do you have a source for that claim, Kyno?

I can quote you the literal ingame description for Daze:
"Can't assist, counter attack, or gain bonus Turn Meter."

This does not say a word about being valid or invalid target for certain abilities. If daze really prevents this type of abilities (which semmingly is the case) then it is a bug, or the description needs an update. When it comes to the Finalizer it has minor impact, but the Ghost's Static Jammer ability is somewhat crippled by this phenomenon.

Also, coding a criterium that modifies the list of valid targets based on the ability level seems to be rather difficult to me (I am talking about Play to Strengths). Not impossible but rather difficult, given the record we have here. I wouldnt expect that to happen. A simple description update would eliminate all the confusion. Would be even less work than the "Advantage" buff touch-up which have happened several months ago.

"SerWulfgar;c-2152802" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2152746" wrote:


Daze does not allow youFinalizer to select that unit for an ability that has an assist, therefore a dazed UKR is not a valid target for the basic.

Do you have a source for that claim, Kyno?

I can quote you the literal ingame description for Daze:
"Can't assist, counter attack, or gain bonus Turn Meter."

This does not say a word about being valid or invalid target for certain abilities. If daze really prevents this type of abilities (which semmingly is the case) then it is a bug, or the description needs an update. When it comes to the Finalizer it has minor impact, but the Ghost's Static Jammer ability is somewhat crippled by this phenomenon.

Also, coding a criterium that modifies the list of valid targets based on the ability level seems to be rather difficult to me (I am talking about Play to Strengths). Not impossible but rather difficult, given the record we have here. I wouldnt expect that to happen. A simple description update would eliminate all the confusion. Would be even less work than the "Advantage" buff touch-up which have happened several months ago.

if the target cannot assist, they are not a valid target to assist. that is not a bug, that is the correct action.

not at all, because the blockage comes from the debuff, not the ability. "if daze, not valid target", if the ability has a cleanse, then it would not have this restriction.

if an ability that calls an assist allows you to select a dazed target, and the ability does not have a cleanse then it is a bug and should be reported as such.