Daze Vs Complex abilities

"SerWulfgar;c-2152809" wrote:
Okay i am glad that we agree on the fact that Hera is not WAI. Now i only wish we could agree on that there SHOULD be further investigation when it comes to assisting, bc currently in a way, daze is capable of preventing buffs, like stealth or crt dmg up, whereas it only should prevent assists, counterattacks, and TM gain. Imo this is not what it should be even if it is wai.

Or. Update the description.

"Kyno;c-2152805" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2152802" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2152746" wrote:


Daze does not allow youFinalizer to select that unit for an ability that has an assist, therefore a dazed UKR is not a valid target for the basic.

Do you have a source for that claim, Kyno?

I can quote you the literal ingame description for Daze:
"Can't assist, counter attack, or gain bonus Turn Meter."

This does not say a word about being valid or invalid target for certain abilities. If daze really prevents this type of abilities (which semmingly is the case) then it is a bug, or the description needs an update. When it comes to the Finalizer it has minor impact, but the Ghost's Static Jammer ability is somewhat crippled by this phenomenon.

Also, coding a criterium that modifies the list of valid targets based on the ability level seems to be rather difficult to me (I am talking about Play to Strengths). Not impossible but rather difficult, given the record we have here. I wouldnt expect that to happen. A simple description update would eliminate all the confusion. Would be even less work than the "Advantage" buff touch-up which have happened several months ago.

if the target cannot assist, they are not a valid target to assist. that is not a bug, that is the correct action.

not at all, because the blockage comes from the debuff, not the ability. "if daze, not valid target", if the ability has a cleanse, then it would not have this restriction.

if an ability that calls an assist allows you to select a dazed target, and the ability does not have a cleanse then it is a bug and should be reported as such.

"TVF;c-2152813" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2152805" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2152802" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2152746" wrote:


Daze does not allow youFinalizer to select that unit for an ability that has an assist, therefore a dazed UKR is not a valid target for the basic.

Do you have a source for that claim, Kyno?

I can quote you the literal ingame description for Daze:
"Can't assist, counter attack, or gain bonus Turn Meter."

This does not say a word about being valid or invalid target for certain abilities. If daze really prevents this type of abilities (which semmingly is the case) then it is a bug, or the description needs an update. When it comes to the Finalizer it has minor impact, but the Ghost's Static Jammer ability is somewhat crippled by this phenomenon.

Also, coding a criterium that modifies the list of valid targets based on the ability level seems to be rather difficult to me (I am talking about Play to Strengths). Not impossible but rather difficult, given the record we have here. I wouldnt expect that to happen. A simple description update would eliminate all the confusion. Would be even less work than the "Advantage" buff touch-up which have happened several months ago.

if the target cannot assist, they are not a valid target to assist. that is not a bug, that is the correct action.

not at all, because the blockage comes from the debuff, not the ability. "if daze, not valid target", if the ability has a cleanse, then it would not have this restriction.

if an ability that calls an assist allows you to select a dazed target, and the ability does not have a cleanse then it is a bug and should be reported as such.

If an ability has two components, let's say grant advantage and call to assist, shouldn't you be able to target someone with daze so they can have the advantage part?

I understand it isn't doing it this way, but I don't see why it shouldn't. Daze shouldn't block targeting, it should just block assisting.

"Kyno;c-2152812" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2152809" wrote:
Okay i am glad that we agree on the fact that Hera is not WAI. Now i only wish we could agree on that there SHOULD be further investigation when it comes to assisting, bc currently in a way, daze is capable of preventing buffs, like stealth or crt dmg up, whereas it only should prevent assists, counterattacks, and TM gain. Imo this is not what it should be even if it is wai.

Or. Update the description.

... the buffs or bonuses are extras, to build up the assisting attacker.

"TVF;c-2152816" wrote:
That's your interpretation.

"TVF;c-2152813" wrote:




If an ability has two components, let's say grant advantage and call to assist, shouldn't you be able to target someone with daze so they can have the advantage part?

I understand it isn't doing it this way, but I don't see why it shouldn't. Daze shouldn't block targeting, it should just block assisting.

"TVF;c-2152820" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2152818" wrote:

"TVF;c-2152816" wrote:
That's your interpretation.

that is anecdotal

I'm not laughing.

Explain Bastila to me.

Rally 4 turn cooldown
Bastila dispels all debuffs from herself and another target ally. They both gain Offense, Defense, Speed, Accuracy, and Critical Chance Up for 3 turns, then Bastila calls that ally to assist.

First of all, the buffs last 3 turns, why shouldn't you be able to grant them to anyone, since they last way beyond the assist.

And more importantly, two of the buffs are defense and speed up, which are both 100% irrelevant for an assist. Why shouldn't you be able to grant those to anyone?

"Kyno;c-2152812" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2152809" wrote:
Okay i am glad that we agree on the fact that Hera is not WAI. Now i only wish we could agree on that there SHOULD be further investigation when it comes to assisting, bc currently in a way, daze is capable of preventing buffs, like stealth or crt dmg up, whereas it only should prevent assists, counterattacks, and TM gain. Imo this is not what it should be even if it is wai.

Or. Update the description.

... the buffs or bonuses are extras, to build up the assisting attacker.