Does Shaak Ti’s leadership kick-in before Rex’s unique?

"Lachie_1;d-213036" wrote:
The speed of the 501st clones is extremely high with Shaak Ti’s leadership and Rex’s unique. But which happens first?

Say I’m running Shaak Ti, Clone Sgt, Rex, Echo and Fives. I.e. three 501st characters. If Rex’s speed is 310 and his unique kicks-in first, then my speed will be 382. (Correct me if I am wrong).

Whereas, if Shaak Ti’s leadership kicks-in before Rex’s unique, Rex will have ~386 speed.

Either way, it is clearly a lot, but I’m looking at lowering Rex’s speed (to move mods around) and a speed of 386 might not necessarily help too much beyond ~350.

Cheers

They both kick in at same time: at start of battle (wihich is after mods are taken into stats).

As with mods, bonuses in the same bracket are calulated:
* the % ones are added as percentages and then calculated obtaining a rounded linear bonus
* the + ones are added to the base and the calculated linear obtained from % ones

With your data:
From Rex unique: 310 * 0.12 = 37.2 (rounded to +37)
From Shaak Ti lead: +35
So a total of 310 +37 +35 = 382

"Juzz;c-1954183" wrote:

"Lachie_1;d-213036" wrote:
The speed of the 501st clones is extremely high with Shaak Ti’s leadership and Rex’s unique. But which happens first?

Say I’m running Shaak Ti, Clone Sgt, Rex, Echo and Fives. I.e. three 501st characters. If Rex’s speed is 310 and his unique kicks-in first, then my speed will be 382. (Correct me if I am wrong).

Whereas, if Shaak Ti’s leadership kicks-in before Rex’s unique, Rex will have ~386 speed.

Either way, it is clearly a lot, but I’m looking at lowering Rex’s speed (to move mods around) and a speed of 386 might not necessarily help too much beyond ~350.

Cheers

They both kick in at same time: at start of battle (wihich is after mods are taken into stats).

As with mods, bonuses in the same bracket are calulated:
* the % ones are added as percentages and then calculated obtaining a rounded linear bonus
* the + ones are added to the base and the calculated linear obtained from % ones

With your data:
From Rex unique: 310 * 0.12 = 37.2 (rounded to +37)
From Shaak Ti lead: +35
So a total of 310 +37 +35 = 382

I’m not sure why you said they kick-in at the same time and then also said % based bonuses are triggered first. But thank you for letting me know.

"Lachie_1;c-1954200" wrote:

"Juzz;c-1954183" wrote:

"Lachie_1;d-213036" wrote:
The speed of the 501st clones is extremely high with Shaak Ti’s leadership and Rex’s unique. But which happens first?

Say I’m running Shaak Ti, Clone Sgt, Rex, Echo and Fives. I.e. three 501st characters. If Rex’s speed is 310 and his unique kicks-in first, then my speed will be 382. (Correct me if I am wrong).

Whereas, if Shaak Ti’s leadership kicks-in before Rex’s unique, Rex will have ~386 speed.

Either way, it is clearly a lot, but I’m looking at lowering Rex’s speed (to move mods around) and a speed of 386 might not necessarily help too much beyond ~350.

Cheers

They both kick in at same time: at start of battle (wihich is after mods are taken into stats).

As with mods, bonuses in the same bracket are calulated:
* the % ones are added as percentages and then calculated obtaining a rounded linear bonus
* the + ones are added to the base and the calculated linear obtained from % ones

With your data:
From Rex unique: 310 * 0.12 = 37.2 (rounded to +37)
From Shaak Ti lead: +35
So a total of 310 +37 +35 = 382

I’m not sure why you said they kick-in at the same time and then also said % based bonuses are triggered first. But thank you for letting me know.

Because "at the same time" and "% first" are basically the same thing. The only time it would matter is if the flat speed is added before the %.

"chionophile;c-1954209" wrote:

"Lachie_1;c-1954200" wrote:

"Juzz;c-1954183" wrote:

"Lachie_1;d-213036" wrote:
The speed of the 501st clones is extremely high with Shaak Ti’s leadership and Rex’s unique. But which happens first?

Say I’m running Shaak Ti, Clone Sgt, Rex, Echo and Fives. I.e. three 501st characters. If Rex’s speed is 310 and his unique kicks-in first, then my speed will be 382. (Correct me if I am wrong).

Whereas, if Shaak Ti’s leadership kicks-in before Rex’s unique, Rex will have ~386 speed.

Either way, it is clearly a lot, but I’m looking at lowering Rex’s speed (to move mods around) and a speed of 386 might not necessarily help too much beyond ~350.

Cheers

They both kick in at same time: at start of battle (wihich is after mods are taken into stats).

As with mods, bonuses in the same bracket are calulated:
* the % ones are added as percentages and then calculated obtaining a rounded linear bonus
* the + ones are added to the base and the calculated linear obtained from % ones

With your data:
From Rex unique: 310 * 0.12 = 37.2 (rounded to +37)
From Shaak Ti lead: +35
So a total of 310 +37 +35 = 382

I’m not sure why you said they kick-in at the same time and then also said % based bonuses are triggered first. But thank you for letting me know.

Because "at the same time" and "% first" are basically the same thing. The only time it would matter is if the flat speed is added before the %.

The OP is asking about exactly that - whether flat speed from the leadership is added before the percentage bonus from Rex unique, because it makes a difference in the final speed value.

"kalidor;c-1954222" wrote:

"chionophile;c-1954209" wrote:

"Lachie_1;c-1954200" wrote:

"Juzz;c-1954183" wrote:

"Lachie_1;d-213036" wrote:
The speed of the 501st clones is extremely high with Shaak Ti’s leadership and Rex’s unique. But which happens first?

Say I’m running Shaak Ti, Clone Sgt, Rex, Echo and Fives. I.e. three 501st characters. If Rex’s speed is 310 and his unique kicks-in first, then my speed will be 382. (Correct me if I am wrong).

Whereas, if Shaak Ti’s leadership kicks-in before Rex’s unique, Rex will have ~386 speed.

Either way, it is clearly a lot, but I’m looking at lowering Rex’s speed (to move mods around) and a speed of 386 might not necessarily help too much beyond ~350.

Cheers

They both kick in at same time: at start of battle (wihich is after mods are taken into stats).

As with mods, bonuses in the same bracket are calulated:
* the % ones are added as percentages and then calculated obtaining a rounded linear bonus
* the + ones are added to the base and the calculated linear obtained from % ones

With your data:
From Rex unique: 310 * 0.12 = 37.2 (rounded to +37)
From Shaak Ti lead: +35
So a total of 310 +37 +35 = 382

I’m not sure why you said they kick-in at the same time and then also said % based bonuses are triggered first. But thank you for letting me know.

Because "at the same time" and "% first" are basically the same thing. The only time it would matter is if the flat speed is added before the %.

The OP is asking about exactly that - whether flat speed from the leadership is added before the percentage bonus from Rex unique, because it makes a difference in the final speed value.

Exactly. That’s the point of this thread.
Thank you

"kalidor;c-1954222" wrote:

"chionophile;c-1954209" wrote:

"Lachie_1;c-1954200" wrote:

"Juzz;c-1954183" wrote:

"Lachie_1;d-213036" wrote:
The speed of the 501st clones is extremely high with Shaak Ti’s leadership and Rex’s unique. But which happens first?

Say I’m running Shaak Ti, Clone Sgt, Rex, Echo and Fives. I.e. three 501st characters. If Rex’s speed is 310 and his unique kicks-in first, then my speed will be 382. (Correct me if I am wrong).

Whereas, if Shaak Ti’s leadership kicks-in before Rex’s unique, Rex will have ~386 speed.

Either way, it is clearly a lot, but I’m looking at lowering Rex’s speed (to move mods around) and a speed of 386 might not necessarily help too much beyond ~350.

Cheers

They both kick in at same time: at start of battle (wihich is after mods are taken into stats).

As with mods, bonuses in the same bracket are calulated:
* the % ones are added as percentages and then calculated obtaining a rounded linear bonus
* the + ones are added to the base and the calculated linear obtained from % ones

With your data:
From Rex unique: 310 * 0.12 = 37.2 (rounded to +37)
From Shaak Ti lead: +35
So a total of 310 +37 +35 = 382

I’m not sure why you said they kick-in at the same time and then also said % based bonuses are triggered first. But thank you for letting me know.

Because "at the same time" and "% first" are basically the same thing. The only time it would matter is if the flat speed is added before the %.

The OP is asking about exactly that - whether flat speed from the leadership is added before the percentage bonus from Rex unique, because it makes a difference in the final speed value.

And the answer is, they both affect the base stat, after mods. So "at the same time" and "% first" are both valid answers. That's all I was saying.

@chionophile the point was that all he/she needed was a simple answer, either flat bonus from lead or unique from Rex.

Then people started to spoon feed him/her information eg , both start at the same time.....yeah the start of the battle lol but which one first .then we proceed to do the maths that has already been done.they even said correct me if I'm wrong they wasn't but let's try lol.
Then we have more people letting them know that at the same time is valid as it's before mods like it was even part of the question.

I'm not trying to be rude or aggressive ,just don't think there was any need for the long windedness of this answer.

"Lachie_1;c-1954718" wrote:

"Juzz;c-1954707" wrote:

"Lachie_1;c-1954531" wrote:
This has been taken out of context a bit.
I really would just like to know if the flat speed bonuses or the % based bonuses are added first because they result in different speeds depending on the order they are triggered at the start of battle.

The difference isn’t much (generally a difference of 1-4 speed) but I would still like to know.

% always apply first. Then +

Is this backed up anywhere officially? Or just based on opinion?

Cheers

It works that way everywhere in the game.

Easiest example everyone knows is with mods: speed set % and speed + primaries and secondaries. The % uses base speed from stats and then the + are added.

With leadership/uniques the base is the result after mods.

GW generally has crazily boosted stats via mods.

I'd recommend nodding your rex with these 2 values in mind against an opponent with the exact same speed to test it.

"DarjeloSalas;c-1953992" wrote:
Aren’t those mods a display bug? I don’t think the toons actually have those speeds.

Yes, you’re right