Droid speed and turn meter with JE

@RenanFilipe , if you use Romec245's spreadsheet, 110 is not a static number. When you change Je's speed between 200 an 249, the magic number changes and can be way higher.

It looks like JE having lower speed is better, if you use the spreadsheet. At JE speed exactly 200, you need only 110 speed to act first. But when you increase speed to 210, say, now you need 116 speed to act first. I don't understand why that is.

Does not JE do the same thing, no matter what? If he acts in tick 5, how is it different if his own speed is 200 or 210?

"LastJedi;580143" wrote:
Help! Something weird is going on with Speed. I don't understand TM at all, anymore.

My JE is not omega'd yet, so he gives 40% TM.
His speed in my test matches is 250+, which means he goes before other droid teams JE at speed 200. This is indeed the case,

My JE goes in tick 4, I presume. Since his adjusted speed is 256. He gives 40% TM to my droids in tick 4. My droids are still not full yet. But in tick 5, they should fill, right? Any droid with speed 120+, 5 ticks is 600 points, and 40% of TM bar is 400 points, right? 600+400 = time to act? So they should get same chance to go as the other team's JE, who also fills in tick 5. I have 3 droids with high enough speed to act in tick 5. So other teams JE should have a 25% chance of going first in tick 5, no?

In 3 matches in a row, the other team JE goes next, AND all three of his droids go before mine. Every single one, every time. I know that is possible, but the odds say that is like winning the lottery? I did this against 2 different droids teams, one with a lvl 7 recalibrat and speed 200-249, and against another team with an omega Recalibrate, speed 200-249. I don't get this TM stuff, anymore.

If anyone can explain, please help.

Also, I read someone else says that speed 128 is the magic number for a droid to fill TM (with a speed 200 JE, I assume). I have played with this number, and indeed, if one of my droids is 128 or higher, it appears (so far) they always go before a droid with 127 or lower. (I did not verify the EXACT number, but it must be this or very close). If I do the TM math, this doesn't make any sense.

When Recalibrate give 40%/45% TM, does that not equal 400/450 out of 1000 points in the toon's TM bar? Or is it giving plus 45% of whatever TM the toon already has at that time?!?!? If that's the case, it seems like you do not want to get JE's speed over 250

If your JE is too fast, and doesn't fill the droids turn meter when using recalibrate, it is allowing the enemy JE to go next. Because the enemy JE is slower, or has omegad recalibrate, his use of recalibrate is actually filling his droids turn meter, letting them go before yours do.

This is why it is important to manage the speed gap between JE and your droids. You want JE to fill turn meter completely, allowing them to go in the same round. Otherwise, the enemy JE can get in between your JE and droids. Either slow your JE down, speed your droids up, or omega JEs recalibrate.

@CptCaveman , please tell me where I am going off the tracks.

My wrong assumption:
My je is so fast he doesn't fill my droids tm. But they fill their TM in the next tick, anyway. So there is no difference other than my JE can't be killed or blocked by the other droid team with slower JE.

Reality is my droid team sucks because I don't know how TM works. I have always assumed Team instincts Web page about TM is how it works. But that is like 12 patches ago.

Is there something special about having tm filled to 100% by a special? Vs filling it to 90% one tick sooner, then letting the toons reach 100% with their own speed mechanic? And why for gosh sake does changing je speed from 200 to 210 make any difference in toon order, because per the OP spreadsheet, it does. And I have a suspicion op is right.

So I don't get why it is bad if enemy je gets between my je and my droids. Or why it should happen 3 out of 3? I figured firingoff recalibrate a tick sooner would put enemy JE in a race with my droids, giving me the advantage. Why does enemy je go first in tick 5, when I have 3 droids that should be full in tick 5?

There are a few thing people need to keep in mind. For one thing, don't forget that JEs speed bonus does count for himself and any Jawa/droid ally. So on a full droid/Jawa team, he gets +50 speed. I see a lot of people forget to calculate for that and it confuses them.

Secondly, speed does not function like it used to when the Team Instinct guide was written. It is still very similar though. There are no longer ticks, or rounds as described in that guide. Speed fills at a constant rate. Think of it as if they moved the decimal place over two places and you can now have partial rounds. So instead of moving at round 7, you can now move at round 6.987.

I feel I have a very good understanding on how speed works in the game. I have tried to write a new speed guide for the forum, but haven't completed it due to the complexity. You basically have to map out the actions in a timeline, but there are differences in how it works between toons. There is some relativity involved, which gets very complex, very fast.

@LastJedi in the words of yoda "slow down your JE you must, to fast he is

Secondly, speed does not function like it used to when the Team Instinct guide was written. It is still very similar though. There are no longer ticks, or rounds as described in that guide. Speed fills at a constant rate. Think of it as if they moved the decimal place over two places and you can now have partial rounds. So instead of moving at round 7, you can now move at round 6.987.

Ahh, ok. This explains a lot. Will have to do some calculations and change around my speed mods, pronto.

"LastJedi;580256" wrote:
@CptCaveman , please tell me where I am going off the tracks.

My wrong assumption:
My je is so fast he doesn't fill my droids tm. But they fill their TM in the next tick, anyway. So there is no difference other than my JE can't be killed or blocked by the other droid team with slower JE.

Reality is my droid team sucks because I don't know how TM works. I have always assumed Team instincts Web page about TM is how it works. But that is like 12 patches ago.

Is there something special about having tm filled to 100% by a special? Vs filling it to 90% one tick sooner, then letting the toons reach 100% with their own speed mechanic? And why for gosh sake does changing je speed from 200 to 210 make any difference in toon order, because per the OP spreadsheet, it does. And I have a suspicion op is right.

So I don't get why it is bad if enemy je gets between my je and my droids. Or why it should happen 3 out of 3? I figured firingoff recalibrate a tick sooner would put enemy JE in a race with my droids, giving me the advantage. Why does enemy je go first in tick 5, when I have 3 droids that should be full in tick 5?

Where you are going off track is that you are still thinking of it as ticks and that your droids are going one tick after your JE. Instead of thinking of it filling per tick,think of it as 100 ticks. So there actually ends up being a lot of ticks between your JE and droids. I don't think that this is actually how it works, but is an easy way to think of it.

If your JE is say, 200, he moves at tick 500. Your droids are below 55% tm when u use recalibrate, so their tms don't fill. If they had filled, they would have been moved up to tick 500 with JE. The enemy JE say is 199 speed, he moves at tick 503(rounded). There are three ticks in there for the enemy JE to get to go before your droids. The enemy JE goes at tick 503 and uses recalibrate and fills his droids turm meter completely, moving them up to tick 503.

This is a simplified way to look at what is happening to you.

Captain, i thank you.

"TrevorTheWookie;580263" wrote:
@LastJedi in the words of yoda "slow down your JE you must, to fast he is

Nope he is not too fast. Once I omega him tonight, will be fine. I don't want any of my droids to fill tm when he fires. I want order of my droids to be same. (Well maybe except against clone teams).

So basically you just round to the nearest hundredth, instead of whole integer.

At 136 speed, my hk will act in tick 405, provided my je has speed at least 247, which he will with one more Banta gel.. This means my HK will go before any JE with speed of 246 or lower. And he will have a chance to ability block a han or a JE.

My assassins are still slow. But ig88 will go next. With speed 130, he will act in tick 424.

Ig86 at speed 128 will act in tick 430, which gives him a chance to recharge hk or 88.

So if my HK doesn't block je, their assassins will probably go before mine. But hopefully if I don't block JE, I will block or offense down on 88 and or 86.

I think this will be real good. 7 more hrs and I will find out. Well not that it is hard to beat droids with droids. I am more wondering If this will provide any defense.

Another way to look at it is as long as your JE IS too fast, you can convert your droids time to act into a speed conversion. At tick 405, my HK with 136 will effectively have 247 First Round Speed. 130 speed equals 236 FRS., And 128 speed = 233 FRS.

I belive JE does add himself for crunch time bonus...and it's just RNG that determines who goes 1st...I took my +30 speed mod off my 86 because hk and 88 still went b4 86...

Rng only decides first to act when it is a special that fill/overfill tm bar, now. Otherwise fastest toon goes first even by a point. I get it now.