Force quit and airplane mode is cheating.

If you ask me, I think the real issue is preloaded turn meter to begin with. First off it doesn't show anywhere the preloaded turn meter in the squad battle screen so you don't know how much TM they have if they won a defense battle. Secondly, preloaded TM for some teams is absolutely ridiculous, especially teams that control TM like Assaj lead or CLuke.

You get rid of preloaded TM, have all abilities reset instead to 0 at the start, and people won't use the Airplane mode because I they would actually accept the health damage they did and not risk giving a gigantic advantage to a team that already gained a victory.

"Kyno;c-1956047" wrote:

"Rake6;d-213178" wrote:
Yeah it is. My team gained victory and TM so they should keep it. Force close and airplane mode is pure cheating. Remove that.

If someone's game crashes or the app hangs up, how are you claiming victory?

The only "fair" way to remove this would be to make it so that unless the battle is finished nothing counts. That would be a ridiculous change to implement.

I understand this point, but crashes are rare. Airplane mode is rampant. All games have a drawback when you disconnect. Many games give you a cool down timer from entering a new match. In many games if you had a number of disconnects in 1 day you will receive an hour or two ban. Does it stink for the rare player that gets a disconnect? Yes. Stop playing and go somewhere where there is a better connection.

Why don't people just use the forfeit button that is provided to us by the devs? Why do they use airplane? Because it gives an extra benefit. I had a bad run against a Mace fleet where my entire team was dying. I was going to forfeit but then fell prey to the Anakin reinforce + 5s AOE combo and my whole team got wiped and I did not get to use the forfeit. I lost fair and square and Mace got to keep his TM.

Also the preloaded TM advantage is not what people make it out to be. In the second match cool downs are blown and turn order is messed up. By the 3rd match its a complete wreck. Restetting to fresh starts the defensive team back at its most optimal state.

My previous guild played TWs since they were released and never used it and won our share. I am aware of a recent match where a guild (that uses airplane) faced a guild with a grand total of 9 losses in all of TW and they won again and they preloaded.

Really, its just not needed. I guess I just see no logical argument where someone can say with a straight face:

"Allowing us to fake a service outage to give us more benefit than the button provided by the devs is absolutely how it should be."

Valid points all around, really. Thing is however that this game and games like it runs on server hand-shakes. Only way to get around people closing their apps to avoid TM preload would be near draconian restrictions, like mentioned by VonZant.

Really though, a preloaded enemy team can be both a boom and a curse. Going against JKR, preloaded TM can often be a good thing, as essential cooldowns will often be spent. Going up against a preloaded DR or NS squad however and it's not a good thing any more. In my guild, players are encouraged to force-close their apps if necessary, but it's by no means a requirement. Instead, we all try to choose our battles very carefully so as to maximize efficiency. It's the single best approach, and I can only remember 2 or possibly 3 TW losses out of countless.

"VonZant;c-1956082" wrote:


Also the preloaded TM advantage is not what people make it out to be. In the second match cool downs are blown and turn order is messed up. By the 3rd match its a complete wreck. Restetting to fresh starts the defensive team back at its most optimal state.

Said like someone who has never had to deal with a full G13 DR/Malak arena team with TM preloaded.

Just build it into the game to increase the QoL for those who are using it (no more restarting the game) and the fairness for those who don’t understand it. Add a message after every defeat in GA/TW/GW and every raid attempt (along with the score you achieved) asking if you want to accept the battle. Give the option to turn it off for those who are annoyed by it.

Hellz yeah Vonzant! Exactly what I was trying to say.

"Fanatic;c-1956102" wrote:

"VonZant;c-1956082" wrote:


Also the preloaded TM advantage is not what people make it out to be. In the second match cool downs are blown and turn order is messed up. By the 3rd match its a complete wreck. Restetting to fresh starts the defensive team back at its most optimal state.

Said like someone who has never had to deal with a full G13 DR/Malak arena team with TM preloaded.

Said like somone that knows nothing about me.

Yes, I have and so has both my old and my new guild. And I beat them before I had Malak. DR without insanity or fear cooldowns at the start of a match = a dead DR team.

"Bulldog1205;c-1956103" wrote:
Just build it into the game to increase the QoL for those who are using it (no more restarting the game) and the fairness for those who don’t understand it. Add a message after every defeat in GA/TW/GW and every raid attempt (along with the score you achieved) asking if you want to accept the battle. Give the option to turn it off for those who are annoyed by it.

This would not be my favorite option but would be an ok compromise. Just make the playing field equal. Everyone gets the same in game options.

"VonZant;c-1956082" wrote:


I understand this point, but crashes are rare.

Crashes are far from rare. I know of dozens of guild and alliance members who were borderline unable to play any PvP for a long time due to rampant crashing. And I’ve seen a far amount of posting about crashing.

"VonZant;c-1956111" wrote:

"Bulldog1205;c-1956103" wrote:
Just build it into the game to increase the QoL for those who are using it (no more restarting the game) and the fairness for those who don’t understand it. Add a message after every defeat in GA/TW/GW and every raid attempt (along with the score you achieved) asking if you want to accept the battle. Give the option to turn it off for those who are annoyed by it.

This would not be my favorite option but would be an ok compromise. Just make the playing field equal. Everyone gets the same in game options.

How about everyone getting the same options in general. Just because you can't be bothered to invest the great effort of restarting the game every once in a while doesn't mean that noone should.