How does Sith beat JTR?

"Woodroward;c-1512252" wrote:

"swgoh_jackson;c-1499965" wrote:
The Sith meta, Ep lead, DV, DN, Thrawn plus GK/Sion/Shore, if u have Ep lead zetaed (causing all empire and sith keep getting tm) and DN wound in the force zetaed (slow down cooldown of special by giving debuff every enemy turn), destroy JTR.

JTR team should fear you lol

The only team that really counter that is Rex lead. I always switch from JTR to Rex lead when fighting the Sith meta...

Just to clarify. I run JTR and fear no composition at all, whatsoever. The only way I don't win with my comp against any other comp is if I am uber outclassed in speed mods.

Fear the speed

"westenger;c-1514635" wrote:

"Hekalatos;c-1499666" wrote:

"Naraic;c-1499614" wrote:
Vader should be faster than r2d2 and bb8.

Vader base speed 121 (+ speed from ability 16 Palpatine 16 Vader 8 thrawn 8 Nihilus =48 extra +extra speed from opposition Kenobi and or r2d2 but not counted here) 169 (185)

Bb8 base speed 162 nd r2d2 is 157

Vader should be faster.

Go first force crush culling blade, Palpatine's zeta will give you 5% Turn meter for each debuff culling blade expired which will mean Palpatine and thrawn should be ahead of most opposition.

Edit I forgot about bb8 roll with punches, yeah you are right you need to have better speed mods then they do or drop Kenobi for an extra 8 speed for Vader from a Sith or empire ally.

don't forget, bb8 gives all droid allies 8% TM for every droid. So you have to be significantly faster to outpace r2.

Okey so I was going to make a post myself but here it seems appropiate.

Today I ran my zzPalps, Vader(243), Thraw, Sion and Nihilus against JTR, R2(270), BB8(264), GK and Thrawn.
If my math are correct, Vader gets 243+16+16+8+8+8+8+8 = 315 speed, while their R2 has 270 + 16% tm from BB8 unique, so the 116% of 270 is 313,2 which I assume it rounds down to 313 as the speed set does if your character has 139 speed the set adds 13 speed not 14. Still if it was round up it would be 314 which is slower than my Vader, still R2 went first. What's going on?

Thanks

That's not how TM works. R2 with 270 starting speed and 16%TM = 270/(1-0.16) = 321 = Faster than your Vader.

Yes. Palp DN vader thrawn GK/sion (4* sion is not geared enough)

Vader should be faster than r2d2 and bb8.

Vader base speed 121 (+ speed from ability 16 Palpatine 16 Vader 8 thrawn 8 Nihilus =48 extra +extra speed from opposition Kenobi and or r2d2 but not counted here) 169 (185)

Bb8 base speed 162 nd r2d2 is 157

Vader should be faster.

Go first force crush culling blade, Palpatine's zeta will give you 5% Turn meter for each debuff culling blade expired which will mean Palpatine and thrawn should be ahead of most opposition.

Edit I forgot about bb8 roll with punches, yeah you are right you need to have better speed mods then they do or drop Kenobi for an extra 8 speed for Vader from a Sith or empire ally.

"Naraic;c-1499614" wrote:
Vader should be faster than r2d2 and bb8.

Vader base speed 121 (+ speed from ability 16 Palpatine 16 Vader 8 thrawn 8 Nihilus =48 extra +extra speed from opposition Kenobi and or r2d2 but not counted here) 169 (185)

Bb8 base speed 162 nd r2d2 is 157

Vader should be faster.

Go first force crush culling blade, Palpatine's zeta will give you 5% Turn meter for each debuff culling blade expired which will mean Palpatine and thrawn should be ahead of most opposition.

Edit I forgot about bb8 roll with punches, yeah you are right you need to have better speed mods then they do or drop Kenobi for an extra 8 speed for Vader from a Sith or empire ally.

don't forget, bb8 gives all droid allies 8% TM for every droid. So you have to be significantly faster to outpace r2.

"Luniz;d-163491" wrote:
Sith can never go before BB8 by my understanding. Once R2 puts stealth on rey it's all over. So is the key to be faster than r2 so you can fracture rey? Then you have to be able to kill GO in that time? Thanks.

Sion AoE dispel that can't be evaded takes care of that stealth and fs.

I have to be careful with sion aoe because he can't survive the counter, he gets stunned and that's about it for him. I try to fracture JTR but its really hard to land a shock on her. I do try to ability block kenobi most of the time, i guess i dont always use culling blade on most debuffed though. Problem really seems to be inability to get JTR down fast enough even when fractured, and having shock resisted. Unfortunately I'm short two good circle mods.

Dont fracture GK. Wait and Fracture JTR. Once she is fractured, take her out. the team falls apart from there.

"swgoh_jackson;c-1499965" wrote:
The Sith meta, Ep lead, DV, DN, Thrawn plus GK/Sion/Shore, if u have Ep lead zetaed (causing all empire and sith keep getting tm) and DN wound in the force zetaed (slow down cooldown of special by giving debuff every enemy turn), destroy JTR.

JTR team should fear you lol

The only team that really counter that is Rex lead. I always switch from JTR to Rex lead when fighting the Sith meta...

Just to clarify. I run JTR and fear no composition at all, whatsoever. The only way I don't win with my comp against any other comp is if I am uber outclassed in speed mods.

"Vertigo;c-1512253" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1512252" wrote:

"swgoh_jackson;c-1499965" wrote:
The Sith meta, Ep lead, DV, DN, Thrawn plus GK/Sion/Shore, if u have Ep lead zetaed (causing all empire and sith keep getting tm) and DN wound in the force zetaed (slow down cooldown of special by giving debuff every enemy turn), destroy JTR.

JTR team should fear you lol

The only team that really counter that is Rex lead. I always switch from JTR to Rex lead when fighting the Sith meta...

Just to clarify. I run JTR and fear no composition at all, whatsoever. The only way I don't win with my comp against any other comp is if I am uber outclassed in speed mods.

Fear the speed

That's what I fear. lol


ON TOPIC:
Funnily enough I usually beat EP teams on Auto (regardless of composition). It's never even close. They are literally the easiest team for me to take out in the current meta.