Inb4 Revan hits

"IDinDooNuffin;c-1764903" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1764731" wrote:

"HK666;c-1764722" wrote:
Really? What happened to the complaints that it was too soon?

Maybe those complaining and those content with it are not the same people?

In what way it's too soon though, is it outside of CGs standart leg/hero release cadence?

Its always too soon for the folks who drop a few hunded dollars to be super neato and totally makes up for being bullied in real life.

It's also too soon for those who have actually built a team to deal with revan, eg traya badstilla.

U do realise revan is a surefire way for total nubs to suddenly break top 10 overnight?

"Eddiemundie;c-1767234" wrote:

"IDinDooNuffin;c-1764903" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1764731" wrote:

"HK666;c-1764722" wrote:
Really? What happened to the complaints that it was too soon?

Maybe those complaining and those content with it are not the same people?

In what way it's too soon though, is it outside of CGs standart leg/hero release cadence?

Its always too soon for the folks who drop a few hunded dollars to be super neato and totally makes up for being bullied in real life.

It's also too soon for those who have actually built a team to deal with revan, eg traya badstilla.

U do realise revan is a surefire way for total nubs to suddenly break top 10 overnight?

They should change Jedi Knight Revan to Geico Revan, because he’s so easy a cave man can do it!
But seriously, I’m not too worried about it. Sure it’ll hurt in the arena for a week or so, but once all the folks with terrible teams realize that they are loosing crystals with how many refreshes they have to do to climb back up it’ll chill for a while. I may have to level up my Jolee, though, so I can sub in Revan for Rebels while I’m on defense. Rebels are way more fun to play, but annoyingly get targeted way too much.

"No_Try;c-1768856" wrote:
Ding ding, we got a winner. Anyone remembers any such overwhelming meta? I've been through all, but I can't recall.

CLS meta was worse.
And it lasted way longer than Revan will. There are already soft counters, and both the Droid meta and the Darth Revan teams are to enter the ring in the next 2-4 weeks.

"Roopehunter;c-1768912" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1768856" wrote:
Ding ding, we got a winner. Anyone remembers any such overwhelming meta? I've been through all, but I can't recall.

CLS meta was worse.
And it lasted way longer than Revan will. There are already soft counters, and both the Droid meta and the Darth Revan teams are to enter the ring in the next 2-4 weeks.

Cls was worse statistically?

"Roopehunter;c-1768912" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1768856" wrote:
Ding ding, we got a winner. Anyone remembers any such overwhelming meta? I've been through all, but I can't recall.

CLS meta was worse.
And it lasted way longer than Revan will. There are already soft counters, and both the Droid meta and the Darth Revan teams are to enter the ring in the next 2-4 weeks.

There are hard counters to Revan.

"No_Try;c-1768953" wrote:

"Roopehunter;c-1768912" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1768856" wrote:
Ding ding, we got a winner. Anyone remembers any such overwhelming meta? I've been through all, but I can't recall.

CLS meta was worse.
And it lasted way longer than Revan will. There are already soft counters, and both the Droid meta and the Darth Revan teams are to enter the ring in the next 2-4 weeks.

Cls was worse statistically?

Yes. I remember seeing top50 completely cls. Nothing else. For months.
76% in the top10 for a few weeks is noqhere even near.

CLS meta was apparently much worse (didn’t play through it so just talking about what i’ve read on those forums), but Traya meta was up there too. The only difference is she was (and still remains) so hard to unlock compared to Revan.
The only reason the numbers were not exactly the same for Traya this summer compared to Revan now : for top 100, a lot of people didn’t have her; for top 10, a lot of younger shards didn’t have her.

So overall, from CLS to now, i’d say all metas were the same in a way. Only jtr was different because she was less dominant and her meta lasted like 45min, and palp because he was only a step toward traya.
I think the way things work in this game, any new paywalled meta will probably show the same numbers as long as it is accessible, like legendary/journey based.

I think a team (at a given timeline) to be truly op and becoming domineering statistically are two different things. So it all hinges on the release method and time period.

I also think Revan was over the top compared to previous meta drives and the level of power creep. For example was +5 speed really necessary for him to accomplish CGs goals with this release? He would have been meta killer with less. Little bits like this keep adding up in the long term making it harder to design characters while keeping everyone's previous investments intact.



The next thing will kill Revan, ok, rinse&repeat. I do however wonder if we'll be able to get back to the times where 4-5 metas can decently (and statistically) co-exist.

"No_Try;c-1769102" wrote:
I think a team (at a given timeline) to be truly op and becoming domineering statistically are two different things. So it all hinges on the release method and time period.

I also think Revan was over the top compared to previous meta drives and the level of power creep. For example was +5 speed really necessary for him to accomplish CGs goals with this release? He would have been meta killer with less. Little bits like this keep adding up in the long term making it harder to design characters while keeping everyone's previous investments intact.



The next thing will kill Revan, ok, rinse&repeat. I do however wonder if we'll be able to get back to the times where 4-5 metas can decently (and statistically) co-exist.

I agree. If i had to guess why they go so far everytime, i’d say two reasons mainly :
-Make it obvious that the new meta will be op to convince the doubters to spend
-Make the meta op enough that it is basically a sure pay to win button, to make sure anyone who would want to invest would see immediate and spectacular results.
For example in my shard, people from the 200-500 range climbed as high as top 20 with sub optimal teams and absolute garbage mods. Had Revan been just strong enough to overtake Traya, they would never have been to do that, and would have been disappointed to see little change compared to the investment.

I don’t feel it’s a sustainable way to do things and wonder how they are going to manage in the future. It will be interesting to see how Revan’s successor is built. Sheer power like Revan himself won’t be possible, the team would be too close to unbeatable. Specific anti-faction are a solution, but not a sustainable one i feel.

"JohnAran;c-1769138" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1769102" wrote:
I think a team (at a given timeline) to be truly op and becoming domineering statistically are two different things. So it all hinges on the release method and time period.

I also think Revan was over the top compared to previous meta drives and the level of power creep. For example was +5 speed really necessary for him to accomplish CGs goals with this release? He would have been meta killer with less. Little bits like this keep adding up in the long term making it harder to design characters while keeping everyone's previous investments intact.



The next thing will kill Revan, ok, rinse&repeat. I do however wonder if we'll be able to get back to the times where 4-5 metas can decently (and statistically) co-exist.

I agree. If i had to guess why they go so far everytime, i’d say two reasons mainly :
-Make it obvious that the new meta will be op to convince the doubters to spend
-Make the meta op enough that it is basically a sure pay to win button, to make sure anyone who would want to invest would see immediate and spectacular results.
For example in my shard, people from the 200-500 range climbed as high as top 20 with sub optimal teams and absolute garbage mods. Had Revan been just strong enough to overtake Traya, they would never have been to do that, and would have been disappointed to see little change compared to the investment.

I don’t feel it’s a sustainable way to do things and wonder how they are going to manage in the future. It will be interesting to see how Revan’s successor is built. Sheer power like Revan himself won’t be possible, the team would be too close to unbeatable. Specific anti-faction are a solution, but not a sustainable one i feel.

Yeah and even so shard chats quickly adapted. After a week of the release the top 20 was mostly the same Revan or no Revan. I think the ideal for upcoming metas is to disrupt the current meta, but also be susceptible to some of the previous ones or a non-meta team at it's release time. That's what I see as a -shake up-, rather than a -write off-. Not claiming what kind of design would establish that though xD.

I guess Revan will keep coming back after it's prime just like Cls did for the same reasons it did.