Is Darth Revan really as bad on Defence as people are saying? Or is it something else?

So JKR have lots of speed. ok. what else do they have? lots of crit chance. if they have +35-40 speed from Revans lead they are also getting +35-40% crit chance from that same lead. That in addition to their base crit chance means they will be criting a lot. Now.....

If you put a zeta Barris on the team you could hold very well vs JKR. JKR teams crit a lot and Bastilla Fallen gives herself and Revan +70% more max HP. swgoh.gg shows that Bastilla already has a max HP when all geared out of 40k. So lets do some math here...

just including the unique ability and no mods:

40k x 0.7 = 28k

40k+28k = 68k hp. So on a crit under zeta Barris, Bastilla will heal for 13,600 hp.

Yoda can hit hard but can jolee or GK or jedi Bastilla? The move that JKR uses to mark someone calls in everyone to assist and they do less damage....and crit at a pretty high rate. GK calls everyone to assist that has a buff and they all do less damage....and crit at a high rate. The only person on the JKR teams that can really put a dent despite the heals from zeta Barris would be Yoda and even then as long as you survive long enough for DR and BSF to take their turns and start throwing around their debuffs, you suddenly have a good defense.

Now say someone decided to mod BSF for more maximum HP. Say 2 of the mods have a +16% health primary because of being 6e.

40k x (1.02) = 40,800

so 40k + 40,800 = 80,800 max hp. that means you would heal for 16,160 hp on a crit.

It's pretty easy to get BSF to be at 80k max health. She can and will survive the first onslaught of Revan and GK and Yoda with zeta Barris. zeta Barris becomes the primary target for the JKR teams then to take out because she's preventing them from demolishing the sith. She can take a beating also tho if you max her out with nothing but 3 health mod sets with 4 of the mods having +16% max health primaries. zBarris doesn't need speed....she gets tm when allies are critted which is what JKR teams do a lot of the time.

So does that sound like it'd be easy to beat on defense? I don't think it is. Best lineup i think to use until Malak is:

Darth Revan
HK
Bastilla Fallen
Sion
zeta Barris

turn order should have DR go 1st, Sion going 2nd, BSF going 3rd, HK going 4th and barris going 5th. Sion clears their buffs and makes it so BSF can land her CBM and her other debuffs and then the fun begins.....

"Jarvind;c-1816753" wrote:

"Stenun;d-199369" wrote:
Is Darth Revan really as bad on Defence as people are saying? Or is it something else?

I suspect he will crush anything other than JKR, .

LOL
that's really smth ppl have been waiting for, team to destroy everything except 90% JKR meta =D

I heard rumors that he is really viable with GK and good durability on Hk and badstila and with all the zetas you can auto it in 40seconds on offense...i think Malak will make it even more viable on defense

It's a brand new faction. If this early Sith Empire team were already OP on both offense and defense, people wouldn't need future Sith Empire marquees and legendaries. I have a feeling that Sith Assassin, Marauder and Trooper will soon be as obsololete as Jedi Knight Guardian or Consular. Gotta keep 'em spending.

I run DR, BSF, HK, assassin, and marauder. I have never held so well on defense, including when I got JKR the first time around. My JKR was getting blasted out of the top 20 in no time after my climb. DR hasn't been knocked out of the top 15 once by anything other than another DR team.

Went ahead and made the leap on all the gear (except some 12+), zetas, and mod switching. My experience hasn't been anything like what I'm seeing on YouTube. I had been waiting for the other shoe to drop, and to fall 50 spots overnight, but 3 days in it hasn't happened. I really can't complain with holding in the top 15/20 overnight and crushing everything in 90 seconds during my climb.

Just a lot of complaints from people jumping the gun while the optimal lineups and mods are still being worked out. Not even close to the grievous fiasco where it sucked out of the gate. He's already taking a solid chunk on the meta report and its entirely possible that once things are settled he might even be so powerful that we need an fbast like release just to compete with other teams.

"Javin37;c-1818294" wrote:

"Stenun;d-199369" wrote:
Those of you who are upset that Darth Revan is apparently bad on Defence; what gear level do you have him on?
You're sending him into the Arena to fight g12 JKRevan squads (often 12+ squads) and your Darth Revan has what level of gear exactly?

JKR with Jolee was unbeatable until you got one.

DR isn't.

No he wasn't. Before fallen bastila you needed a Traya modded for health and defense and you could beat him. With fallen bastila you could beat revan jolee like 95+% of the time. You could also beat him with Traya and nest but that was more rng dependent.

I think all of those people saying DR doesn't hold on defense will be eating their words when they start seeing DR teams populate the top 20's and they can't win against them with their amazing speed JKR teams. Right now the hardest team for JKR teams to beat on defense is the Darth Revan/nightsister hybrid (look on youtube for proof....mobilegamer has some excellent footage of just how devestating it is). The team is Darth Revan, Bastilla Fallen, HK, Nightsister zombie and Mother Talzin. Shock (from aoe on Revan mind you) + plague means you just die really quick and not much you can do about it......no heals, no cleanse, no buffs......ouch!

just gotta love all the people who jump on the forums as soon as a kit is released and say something is trash before really thinking about how to utillize the kit. Those people look like fools now that Darth Revan teams are holding quite well against their precious god mod JKR teams. This is a strategic game so people who understand the mechanics and interactions will always do better in this game than those who don't want to put effort into theory crafting and testing.

"DarthRevan1023;c-1816087" wrote:

And generic characters like "Marauder" or "Assassin" are always going to be weaker than big name characters

I want an op character to be released and he would have 4 zetas and be the most generic character you can except


I want someone called "Citizen of the republic" who, in the lore of Star Wars, is just a guy doing his everyday life without being a criminal, soldier, politician, scientific or related with the force and that guy would own the meta for at least a year

"Javin37;c-1818835 wrote:


Did you instantly know how to mod traya, use maul/nest or was that out of desperation?

Did it take 4 days for everyone with a maxed JKR/Jolee to start leaving it overnight?

Point you missed is what the difference is...now. DR is not having the immediate impact JKR had.

WTF are you talking about? I responded to the comment that said you couldn't beat jolee unless you also had jolee which was completely wrong and then I explained exactly why it was wrong. I didn't miss any point.