JKL Leadership Question: Base speed

"Daishi;c-2128559" wrote:
Or if you read the dev insight, you mod Shaak or HODA with super high speed, and under JKL lead they all get a shared skill that when used gives JKL 100% TM.

That might help in TB, though you can't pull Shaak from the clones there, but in TW/GA it will be pretty hard to get your Hoda to go before the other team.

@CG_SBCrumb

"Indominable_J;c-2128159" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2128156" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-2128142" wrote:
I would think Base means before anything but maybe Kyno knows?

That is my assumption, but I figured it was best to ask before confidently stating that.

I would read it in this case to mean after mods, but before any other manipulations that occur once the match starts.

This is correct, still waiting on firm confirmation about how uniques may play into this.

"StarSon;c-2128461" wrote:

"RoBane1738;c-2128435" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2128431" wrote:

"RoBane1738;c-2128387" wrote:
If it’s with mods and you put no speed mods at all on him, your opponent could get 2(or more) turns in before the ability ever takes effect. I don’t recall it saying JKL is immune to fracture

Use your own faster Thrawn then?

What you mean, on your JKL team so you can fracture their Thrawn before their Thrawn fractures your JKL? lol

No, so you can tm swap to JKL, triggering the speed equalization, making your entire team faster than their entire team.

It's not a factor in mirror matches.

"Kyno;c-2128584" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2128461" wrote:

"RoBane1738;c-2128435" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2128431" wrote:

"RoBane1738;c-2128387" wrote:
If it’s with mods and you put no speed mods at all on him, your opponent could get 2(or more) turns in before the ability ever takes effect. I don’t recall it saying JKL is immune to fracture

Use your own faster Thrawn then?

What you mean, on your JKL team so you can fracture their Thrawn before their Thrawn fractures your JKL? lol

No, so you can tm swap to JKL, triggering the speed equalization, making your entire team faster than their entire team.

It's not a factor in mirror matches.

That's a weird thing to point out when the thread I was quoting was about Thrawn, not GL's or mirrors.

"Kyno;c-2128601" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2128586" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2128584" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2128461" wrote:

"RoBane1738;c-2128435" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2128431" wrote:

"RoBane1738;c-2128387" wrote:
If it’s with mods and you put no speed mods at all on him, your opponent could get 2(or more) turns in before the ability ever takes effect. I don’t recall it saying JKL is immune to fracture

Use your own faster Thrawn then?

What you mean, on your JKL team so you can fracture their Thrawn before their Thrawn fractures your JKL? lol

No, so you can tm swap to JKL, triggering the speed equalization, making your entire team faster than their entire team.

It's not a factor in mirror matches.

That's a weird thing to point out when the thread I was quoting was about Thrawn, not GL's or mirrors.

The quote you were responding to what about a mirror match.

Reading comprehension ftw

The dev insight says at the end to use a HODA because of the characters high base speed. If it's to include mods then they couldn't make this statement because everyone's HODA is different based on the modded speed. But if we don't include mods then everyone's Hoda, assuming the same level and gear would have the same base speed.

Also, I know SWGOH.gg is not a CG website, but they also label all stats without mods as base stats.

"jfears2;c-2129199" wrote:
The dev insight says at the end to use a HODA because of the characters high base speed. If it's to include mods then they couldn't make this statement because everyone's HODA is different based on the modded speed. But if we don't include mods then everyone's Hoda, assuming the same level and gear would have the same base speed.

Also, I know SWGOH.gg is not a CG website, but they also label all stats without mods as base stats.

Hoda, GMY, and Shaak are all quite fast, and faster than Thrawn without taking mods into account. This means, that all else being equal, you can get your Hoda (or one of the other two) faster than your opponent's Thrawn (or whoever, though Thrawn will cause the most problems for JKL) pretty easily. Having a faster base speed typically equates to a faster effective in-match speed as well.

For a practical example, GMY's unmodded speed is quite a bit faster than BSF's, so it's easy to get him faster than an opposing BSF, allowing you to throw up tenacity up before she goes, making mirror matches easier.

Speed after mods is considered as base speed

99.99% certain it’s after mods. As has been said already, asking the devs is the only way to be sure. I don’t believe the battle system even records or uses pre-mod data; it serves no purpose and would just be using up server resources. When you have tens of thousands of people trying to simultaneously access and process data, you want as lean a data set as you can get.

“Base” has historically meant after mods, but prior to uniques and leadership abilities.