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SomeSignNaw's avatar
8 years ago

Kylo’s Lash Out

Is the skill really working as supposed? It’s beyond horribad now. My 4 yo daughter hits harder with a wet sock.

I’m trying to understand what the patch notes actually say on this:

This attack can't Critically Hit and deals bonus damage equal to 50% of Kylo Ren's Critical Damage.

If Kylo earlier critted let’s say for 10800 (5000 * 2,16), now the total damage would be 5000+10800/2 ie. 10400.

That’s a nerf, not a huge one but still a nerf.

But... the numbers I am seeing on screen in ALWAYS red are quickly gone and by observing the graphics I don’t see any offensive potential there right now.

Tested in GW node against lvl 80 Boba with 23,47% armor and 6079 protection. No matter how many times I try with new random seed (partnering him with various toons) Boba after being Lashed has around 1/3 of prot left.

Are you telling me that my 3k physical damage rating old Kylo is supposed to hit for no more than 4000 damage??

Ps. Answers HQ is not an improvement :(
  • how have you modded your Kylo? i do share the same sentiment, however, mine is at gear12 with that middle slot geared in (the one with the extra armor penetration) so my base on-screen damage is at 10k, and crits at 15-24k. modded CD and Cc.
  • would have been way OP with Kylo's unmasked (<-lmao) lead otherwise.
    Not sure about the dmg it should do or does, i haven't used kylo in a long time and when i did "lash out" wasn't my go to ability at all.
  • "leef;c-1339377" wrote:
    would have been way OP with Kylo's unmasked (<-lmao) lead otherwise.
    Not sure about the dmg it should do or does, i haven't used kylo in a long time and when i did "lash out" wasn't my go to ability at all.


    You mean non-stop AoE with 100% turn meter, no CD and auto-prot + health recovery? Seems actually balanced IMO. It's not that much more abusive than CLS.
  • "Enye164;c-1339374" wrote:
    how have you modded your Kylo?


    Speed and offense with 186% crit dam. He’s glvl 10 and I don’t intend to take him further.

    my base on-screen damage is at 10k, and crits at 15-24k. modded CD and Cc.


    Good for you, but you can’t crit with Lash Out. Are you thinking of Outrage?

    "leef;c-1339377" wrote:
    i haven't used kylo in a long time and when i did "lash out" wasn't my go to ability at all.


    I used it in the event for fun, then started looking into it. It didn’t kill the toons in the first wave.
  • If Crit Damage works the way i think it does (and i m not sure. I ve always just assumed....)

    Lets say you have a plus 30%CD Mod on Kylo. 180%CD.

    Before: Kylo does 180% damage on a crit.

    Now: Kylo does normal damage on a crit, plus 0.5x180% =90% of CD =190% of normal damage (total).

    I thought it was a buff if my maths is right

  • "swgohfan29;c-1339466" wrote:
    If Crit Damage works the way i think it does (and i m not sure. I ve always just assumed....)

    Lets say you have a plus 30%CD Mod on Kylo. 180%CD.

    Before: Kylo does 180% damage on a crit.

    Now: Kylo does normal damage on a crit, plus 0.5x180% =90% of CD =190% of normal damage (total).

    I thought it was a buff if my maths is right



    This is right. The bonus is of his crit damage stat, not how much he may have previously crit for.

    With base 150% crit damage he will hit with 175% damage. With 180% from a set he will hit with 190%. With 186% from a triangle he will hit with 193%. With 216% from a triangle and set he will hit for 208%.

    So he loses a tiny bit when modded with both a triangle and a set, but gains everywhere else. I feel this is a balanced approach to dealing with the Unmasked issue...when you consider that the attack can no longer trigger Zarriss, Rex, GK, Zaul, Biggs, etc., on the whole I'd consider this a buff. No doubt others will disagree.

  • ttimpane's avatar
    ttimpane
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    The no crit hit is the key... He may be hitting for a bit less, but no longer having the chance to trigger the crit hit heal is a huge deal. That's a pretty good damage for a non crit hit
  • "swgohfan29;c-1339466" wrote:
    Before: Kylo does 180% damage on a crit.

    Now: Kylo does normal damage on a crit, plus 0.5x180% =90% of CD =190% of normal damage (total).


    Are you saying my Kylo’s normal damage is less than 2k? With 3k physical he hits for less than Chief Nebit?

    Have you actually tested it? Remember, the idea was that the damage should stay at the same level as before. I just don’t see it.
  • "crzydroid;c-1339553" wrote:
    "swgohfan29;c-1339466" wrote:
    If Crit Damage works the way i think it does (and i m not sure. I ve always just assumed....)

    Lets say you have a plus 30%CD Mod on Kylo. 180%CD.

    Before: Kylo does 180% damage on a crit.

    Now: Kylo does normal damage on a crit, plus 0.5x180% =90% of CD =190% of normal damage (total).

    I thought it was a buff if my maths is right



    This is right. The bonus is of his crit damage stat, not how much he may have previously crit for.

    With base 150% crit damage he will hit with 175% damage. With 180% from a set he will hit with 190%. With 186% from a triangle he will hit with 193%. With 216% from a triangle and set he will hit for 208%.

    So he loses a tiny bit when modded with both a triangle and a set, but gains everywhere else. I feel this is a balanced approach to dealing with the Unmasked issue...when you consider that the attack can no longer trigger Zarriss, Rex, GK, Zaul, Biggs, etc., on the whole I'd consider this a buff. No doubt others will disagree.



    Are You sure that You are right about calc? So if a toon hits on normal 5k, so on crit with 150% hits 7,5k? Or is hitting 12,5k on crits? I think it is second option.