In terms of mods and team building, I haven't seen this discussed much, but it's a "thing" on my February shard.I was fortunate enough to have the first Wiggs team on my shard, I built the team with the fastest STH I could (he was my fastest toon at the time). I held rank for a long time.A competitor of mine, who was close in terms of speed, found that he could outpace my STH by putting his fastest mods on Biggs, so I ended up in a situation where my Wedge was taken out instantly, leaving my STH to boost only 4 remaining toons.So I responded in kind, putting Biggs up to 205 speed (265 with Wedge and Lando bonuses). My competitor scored some new mods and went to 206. This morning I got a lucky drop and went to 209, I now go before some JEs on my shard.Despite my current status of having the fastest Biggs, I'm not enjoying this. It feels cheap. I've checked the team compositions on some of the older shards, and they seem to opt for a Wedge lead with a fast STH or Poe, rather than just putting everything into Biggs for a guaranteed first round knockout.I'm unclear as to why this isn't a "thing", i.e. more widespread? It seems to work. Even against a Rex lead, you can take out Rex before their team moves, pretty much every time. You can take out EP every time. It's like having Raid Han but instead of a stun you get a kill.Is anyone else seeing this on their shards? If not, why do you think that is?

It is definitely a thing on my server (December) and all my guildies use it (we're mostly on the same server). It does indeed feel cheap because we're back to square 1 with the speed meta, which is why protection was originally introduced.

"benacrow;698717" wrote:It is definitely a thing on my server (December) and all my guildies use it (we're mostly on the same server). It does indeed feel cheap because we're back to square 1 with the speed meta, which is why protection was originally introduced. The circle is complete.....

"benacrow;698717" wrote:It is definitely a thing on my server (December) and all my guildies use it (we're mostly on the same server). It does indeed feel cheap because we're back to square 1 with the speed meta, which is why protection was originally introduced. The strategy is definitely a problem when even the players winning hate using it. A basic rule for this game should be that no one move can take out a character in the opening round.I think it's time for protection 2.0. Seriously. Longer battles and more strategy, please. Even if your team has significantly better speed, the opposing team should have an opportunity to respond.This game was far more enjoyable prior to the Wiggs OHKO. Now it's all that matters. Power creep has once again rendered health and protection inadequate. It has to be fixed.@CG_Conduit23 please address the Wiggs OHKO situation with more protection, health or both.

I personally don't see a major issue, it encourages real strategy on the shard. I run Biggs at 209. There are a number of teams that knock me off #1 post payout. People have adapted with teams that can take my team down even when they are one toon down. If I don't manage to 1 shot the toon, it happens with RNG, then the fight is even harder. Some of their strategies center on 'who's first', multiple priority targets chain linked with Ani as payback, multi-tank with stuns / debuffs (RG/B2/Sun Fac), or the more obvious Rex lead. Other Wiggs users adapt as well, e.g. Han -1 speed to Lando so you get an Ackbar effect, and their Lando overtakes mine...

"Xioborg;698853" wrote:I personally don't see a major issue, it encourages real strategy on the shard. I run Biggs at 209. There are a number of teams that knock me off #1 post payout. People have adapted with teams that can take my team down even when they are one toon down. If I don't manage to 1 shot the toon, it happens with RNG, then the fight is even harder. Some of their strategies center on 'who's first', multiple priority targets chain linked with Ani as payback, multi-tank with stuns / debuffs (RG/B2/Sun Fac), or the more obvious Rex lead. Other Wiggs users adapt as well, e.g. Han -1 speed to Lando so you get an Ackbar effect, and their Lando overtakes mine...Adapt - you mean who has the best speed??????It's always about speed!!!!

Loading Biggs with Speed for OHKO

7AnimalMother
9 years ago
"Palanthian;699252" wrote:
Just to be clear, I have not and am not asking for a Wiggs nerf. I'm asking for a protection buff.

Wiggs isn't the only problem, Lando can pretty much wipe out a team in 2 turns. I think it would be more interesting if matches were longer, there's a 5 minute timer and most matches don't go beyond 1 minute.

Power creep has outpaced health and protection, this will happen every few months. Health and protection need to be rebalanced to compensate and keep matches interesting.

I don't find a 20 second match interesting, not at all.

I rather see a healer buff... Healers need to be arena viable. It's the most glaring hole in the game.

Tank in arena? check.
Support in arena? check.
Attacker in arena? check.
Healer in arena? ooops
benacrow
9 years ago
"7AnimalMother;699495" wrote:
"Palanthian;699252" wrote:
Just to be clear, I have not and am not asking for a Wiggs nerf. I'm asking for a protection buff.

Wiggs isn't the only problem, Lando can pretty much wipe out a team in 2 turns. I think it would be more interesting if matches were longer, there's a 5 minute timer and most matches don't go beyond 1 minute.

Power creep has outpaced health and protection, this will happen every few months. Health and protection need to be rebalanced to compensate and keep matches interesting.

I don't find a 20 second match interesting, not at all.

I rather see a healer buff... Healers need to be arena viable. It's the most glaring hole in the game.

Tank in arena? check.
Support in arena? check.
Attacker in arena? check.
Healer in arena? ooops

Ooh what about an auto healer who puts up a HoT when someone drops below 50%?
NyKynoe
9 years ago
Is it really a OHKO when it take 3 toons to do it?

Depending on the 3rd toon or how well buffed you or target are, it may not be a complete kill....
Nastynaz91
9 years ago
The Wiggs meta makes me want to quit this game. To have the most OP combination to date, I need the two most nameless characters in Star Wars History.

Even if I do get them I can never catch up to the people in my shard with high speed secondaries. This game is becoming more and more of a chore, and more P2W by the day. Needless to say, I'm not optomistic about Ships rolling through
anonidude
Seasoned Newcomer
9 years ago
Speed kills man - particularly in this game. IMO the faster a character is the less damage they should do.

Moss should be adjusted so that a positive increase in one area is compensated with a reduction in an coreesponding area.

Eg got a speed arrow - secondaries should say -% for offense health accuracy & defense for example. Higher tier mods mean either a bigger primary stat or a lesser penalty

Speed secondaries should really be removed altogether IMO. You want speed - get the speed set and be weaker in other ways.
SeglemMats
9 years ago
@Palanthian Why do you complain? We are on the same shard and you just sits at #1 all day long...
Palanthrax
9 years ago
"Mats;700417" wrote:
@Palanthian Why do you complain? We are on the same shard and you just sits at #1 all day long...

Because it's not just about winning, it's about enjoying playing the game. If you read my opening post in full, I explain that I don't enjoy 20 second matches. I'm actually asking for the developers to make the game more competitive.

I don't want an "I win" button, matches used to be longer and more enjoyable.

I'm frequently knocked off #1, by the way, but I do check in regularly and take back #1 when I don't have it.
Svatlas
9 years ago
"Palanthian;700450" wrote:
"Mats;700417" wrote:
@Palanthian Why do you complain? We are on the same shard and you just sits at #1 all day long...

Because it's not just about winning, it's about enjoying playing the game. If you read my opening post in full, I explain that I don't enjoy 20 second matches. I'm actually asking for the developers to make the game more competitive.

I don't want an "I win" button, matches used to be longer and more enjoyable.

I'm frequently knocked off #1, by the way, but I do check in regularly and take back #1 when I don't have it.

Change your Team. Problem solved!
Taintdragons
9 years ago
What happens when wedges teeth fall out, he can't shoot the broad side of barn and he starts scratching himself incessantly from all that speed?
AchillesAT
9 years ago
"Palanthian;699252" wrote:
Just to be clear, I have not and am not asking for a Wiggs nerf. I'm asking for a protection buff.

A buff in protection will make even more ppl complain about GW.

"benacrow;699498" wrote:
Ooh what about an auto healer who puts up a HoT when someone drops below 50%?

Royal Healer?

I find the idea itself, to buff heals in general, not bad at all ... but after an 1-hit-kill there is nothing left your healer can heal, so buffing healers wont solve the problem.

Buffing defense would probably help, more def means less damage, means no 1-hit-kill, means heal is a bit more worth, but then we will see 5-tank/healer-teams in arena who just let run every match out of time.