LV/Maul [MERGE]

"Trevor001100;c-2312632" wrote:

"WattoisSnoke;c-2312597" wrote:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it one last time… make buff and healing immunity lock on his first special, gain mastery on the same move during ultimate equal to underestimated and double ally mastery gain on second special during ultimate as well as improved ai and he’ll be worth the investment. Super simple fixes that propel him up where he should be.

Could also help if they changed his mastery stats, currently it's Accuracy, Damage and defense pen. meanwhile SLKR gets CC, CD and damage. change that accuracy to CD or something so he gets more damage from the mastery he gets

Definitely could but I’d say there’s a 0% chance they’d change his mastery stats. The thing is, about 4mins 30secs in he does hit like a Mack truck, the goal would be to get him there a lot quicker. With the changes I put forth, he’d be able to get an extra 120% mastery increase during ult with 2x dark harbingers, then he’d get cooking when it mattered. Add in the double mastery gain for his team during ult so they’d at least get a little better and have more stats for him to take next ult and the locked debuffs (without even needing ult for that, like JMK) and, with better ai, he’s meta. I don’t think they’ll do anything tbh but I like to live in a fantasy world sometimes.

Idk why u talking about him, CG won't change anything.
Same happend when SEE appears.
They buffed JMK(health immunity,direct health attack) ,it was easier to get CAT, light side can ignore taunt, jmk had an insta kill at first round, with CAT.( Every dark side had to load up).

U can discuss or bleat 24h a day... doesn't matter

CG reach they goal, spend maybe money in hope LV is better then JMK because of higher requirements.

They don't care that LV loose against earlier GL.


I collecting LV myself, because I want a dark side roster.

CG has repeatedly said that power should be comensurate to the ivestment cost. How can LV cost so much and not be the best GL? He's not even average! This is outrageous!! It's not fair!!!

"Jordy_Rain;c-2312812" wrote:
CG has repeatedly said that power should be comensurate to the ivestment cost. How can LV cost so much and not be the best GL? He's not even average! This is outrageous!! It's unfair!!!

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I remember hearing a direct quote from either Doja or Crumb on Cubs' interview "JMK can counter LV with proper play", suggesting 1. It won't be an easy battle, and 2. Who knows if any other GLs will be able to counter him. Turns out "proper play" was pressing the auto button and just about every GL can counter him....

"Jordy_Rain;c-2312927" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2312900" wrote:

"Jordy_Rain;c-2312887" wrote:
I remember hearing a direct quote from either Doja or Crumb on Cubs' interview "JMK can counter LV with proper play", suggesting 1. It won't be an easy battle, and 2. Who knows if any other GLs will be able to counter him. Turns out "proper play" was pressing the auto button and just about every GL can counter him....

You see what they said about Executor counters?

No actually. What?

- they wished everyone "good luck" beating it, obviously implying that it would be a powerhouse on defense
- when it got released it was garbage on defense, getting easily beaten by Male, Nego and even Rebels - it was garbage because the mass swarm attack needed to target an enemy with breach and the heal ability was obviously useless, so the Exe started off with a basic
- the only way to have a faster ship than a 7* Exe to apply breach before the Exe goes was a R8 IG but IG is far inferior to the XB as a starting ship
- seeing the 7* Exe performances most good players intentionally avoided getting a 7* Exe and kept their Exe on 5 or 6* and also kept the heal ability on lvl 6
- then CG buffed the Executor by changing the mass attack ability by removing the breach condition, dispelling tenacity up (to breach and mark the target opponent with the XB and RC starting lineup) and a dmg boost for BH allies assisting
- they also changed the AI to focus the opponents RC (previously the targeting was pretty random, it was a 50:50 whether it would go for HT or RC; post buff it's now rather like 80:20 with a clear focus on RC)
- still didn't touch the obviously flawed healing ability which ppl still complained about
- and just recently we finally got that stupid healing ability updated to make only BH tank ships taunt

The shocking thing about all this: CG's level of play testing (and kit design aswell - I mean, who even came up with the taunt idea on that healing ability in its original state?)

All that nonsense with executor and they went mad fixing him, SEE could beat JMK+Cat so they buffed the hell out of them vs Sith. Almost anything can beat LV on defence, by far their most expensive GL and… “we’re looking into it,” perhaps the worst words to hear from CG coz you know it means they don’t give a crap. If they kept the same standard and others didn’t get buffed, I wouldn’t mind but every one I go for gets the shaft. Given his expense to unlock, LV should be strongest, no way around that. As it stands, I’m most happy to have relic BB since that’s the best part of getting LV.

"Sithlords_Inc;c-2313089" wrote:
Including myself theres a whooping 3 LVs in my arena right now, one of which is floating around in the 40's, but CG still gonna find a way to call it WAI

My arena has one person using Lord Vader, Maul in arena.

And then about 3-4 of us who have LV Maul and just use JMK Cat in arena since it’s quicker, easier and performs better.

Fun fact: In the top 100 of squad arenas,

There are 23161 of 31894 JMKs aka 72.6% of all JMKs being used.

While only 1271 of 5872 LVs aka 21.6% of all LVs being used.

An overwhelming majority of LV owners don’t use the newest GL (and currently most expensive unit) in squad arena. ?

Now there is probably some owners who are working on ULT / don’t have maul (who makes a minor difference really) but I’ve spoken to a good amount of ULT LV & Maul owners who simply don’t use him in arena because JMK is just superior.

"Legend91;c-2313094" wrote:
Can't decide whether I'd put him above or below Rey but he's definitely in the lower half of the GL rankings imo which is ridiculous for the by far most expensive GL.

Overall ranking considering all aspects (pvp, raids, tbs, requirements, usefulness of requirements):

#1: JMK (with CAT)
#2: SLKR
#3: JML
#4: LV (with Maul)
#5: Rey
#6: SEE

As my first (or second) GL I'd never go for LV, way too expensive even though some of his requirements are very nice (looking at you BB). His HSR solo with DV also seems more stressful than SLKR or JMK. He's not bad overall (requirements aside) but his defensive viablity just doesn't reflect his 1.5 GL status.

I definitely have Rey above him. You can put trash can toons with Rey and she’s fine. Her viability throughout the game modes is pretty good. I think LV is firmly 5th in terms of overall viability, but I might have SEE ahead of him. If you had to choose when including requirements into your consideration, LV is far and away the worst GL. By far the highest gear requirements (remember he also requires an extra character in Rex), for what I consider to be the 5th most powerful GL, and he’s probably 6th if you don’t have Maul.

At this point I’ve revised potential changes right down, lock the debuffs on his second move for the 2 turns and fix his ai at least a little, I’m sure even the “woah all suggestions would break the game, even though our LS characters did that already,” CG would agree that is acceptable. No ramping up damage quicker since they already somehow think he’s a “beast,” and no buffing the team… just give us that at the very least, even I, who sometimes goes overboard on potential buffs to characters, have to say it isn’t an OP change at all.