LV/Maul [MERGE]

"SemiGod;c-2308545" wrote:

"zatchy;c-2308542" wrote:

"biglippedbeast;c-2308526" wrote:

"zatchy;c-2308506" wrote:
Vader / Maul suck. Not worth the investment folks. If you were planning on grinding them, don’t. Just that simple.

I’m end game player so of course I got him and maul, but yea when I think of all the relic mats I used for him it is very disheartening.

I mean he is a gl and he beats stuff, but like with see, his kit is intended to sacrifice everyone else just long enough until he ramps up damage and can kill everything.

Boring GL and easy to counter for pvp; he is fun in pve however.

Same boat. If they are going to do this release cadence where they drop 1 GL first then 3 months and another, but the second shiny new toy is basically useless in the main game modes, it’s going to be easy to determine to save materials and just skip one. I’m end game too, with all the GL’s and hours wasted grinding for Maul with the awful new conquest….not worth it.

If you are a player who has to make a choice on which GL you farm, just don’t bother with Vader. Over the top requirements for a underwhelming GL. I think he’s honestly 6th of 6.

Nah nothing can stop SEE for being the worst GL tbh.

TBH I think SEEs kit might be better than LVs, even if a SEE team isnt as good and a LV team. SEEs lead is absolute garbage, but at least once he hits ult you can start doing things even if his team is dead. LV, meanwhile, does nothing until you hit your ult at least 3 times and if your teams is dead you cant gain mastery and are just flailing helplessly until the enemy kills you or the timer runs out. Evens SEEs "massive damage" and 20 turn cd AoE is more impactfull than that.

Answer: Lord Vader has generated a sufficient amount of revenue. This would demonstrate he is indeed functioning as he was designed.
Query: Did you expect otherwise?

Not sure I’m using this team correctly. Using LV, Maul, DV, Piett, RG. I’m not having much success in arena, I’m getting worked by JMK teams. Lord Vader without maul is completely worthless, Lord Vader with Maul is possibly just as bad. Please help i invested tons of time unlocking these two characters. I hate to say it but LV is by far the weakest GL by far, and adding Maul doesn’t seem to change this. I have to be doing something wrong. Please help.

"Kyno;c-2308593" wrote:

"Bladegunner;c-2308584" wrote:
Traya, Gas etc specifically say in their kit that cooldown increases can't be resisted but it absent in Mauls kit.

Does this mean it can be resisted? An oversight? Or is cooldown increase like tenacity down whereby it lands no matter what?

From my understanding the only CD increase that can be resisted is Nute. I will check with the team, but it should not be resisted.

From what I found on .GG, Revan and Maul don't include the text "effect is unresistable"

However; Nute and JML both do.

Such a massive resource sink- and just a mediocre GL. Prob my favorite character going into swgoh, and I’m left with a awful feeling. Weeks without Maul- he wasn’t even used in arenas. Maul drops and it barely improved.

Can beat jmk- but rare to see max banners- and it’s a full 5 minute fight. Just meh into JML. But it beats Rey! Woo hoo.

Lesson learned - highest resource cost of any GL and just left with a pit in my stomach after playing him all yesterday.

Yes it’s my opinion. Curious if anyone else feels the same

While I still struggled against one of the toughest shard JMKs and his nearly full R8 god modded JMK team on manual (my LV team being R7 on avg), I just beat another JMK that's on similar relic levels on full auto (after the CDI on CAT) in about 1.5 minutes. That was even with DV who, tbh, doesn't really add much in the hands of the AI because it, for whatever reason, uses the AoE first instead of going into MM and feed LV with underestimated stacks and spread ability blocks. Shore might be the much better choice here - unfortunately LV is a "mastery" GL who wants all your chars to be on high relics to feed off them.

The biggest issue with the JMK team when using LV and Maul is the maddening amount of cleanse power the team has. A unit cleanses if they trigger the savior, mass cleanse when JMK ults, cleanse when JMK targets them, GK has a mass cleanse...

If LV's Dark Harbinger applied the debuffs in a semi-locked state like KRU's stun, that might make things a bit easier on offense. You hit GK with it, apply the BI and HI, knock him to 1 HP, trigger savior, and instead of him jumping to 50% health and protection with 50% protection up for his troubles, he'd just stay at 1 health and be killed on the next attack.

Being stonewalled by GK is very aggravating. A 4/5 year old unit heavily impeding the latest GL release.

Honestly, Maul isn’t so bad, he ramps up and does good damage, CD increase is fine… I think he just highlights how weak LV is as a GL. If they were going to do anything, CG could always just buffs his stats to high heavens but I think a tweak of his 3 moves is all that is needed, especially when in Ult. I’d have it as follows.

On his basic, I’d keep the deal damage again at 30 stacks but then have him damage again at 60 stacks instead of when in ultimate. Then, when is Ult, he attacks again just like his GAS counterpart. Keep in mind that the damage of this move of pretty atrocious until late in battle so this is a way to make it a bit better and later in battle, scary.

On Dark Harbinger, he needs a massive damage increase and honestly, have it mirror JMK to an extent. Instead of +20% damage on subsequent uses up to 100%, have it +50% damage up to 250%. For the ultimate version, have it double physical damage, sea true damage, dispel all buffs in target enemy and buff immunity cannot be cleansed.

For Unshackled Emotions, honestly the only thing I’d add is during ultimate, ally Mastery gain is doubled so instead of up to 60% mastery gain, it’s up to 120%.

None of these are insane compare to Kenobi… the basic scales nicely and becomes devastating late in battle (or in raids etc), his first special should ramp up and become something you’re scared to face if he uses it a few times then hits in Ult and the locked buff immunity will help against tanks and the doubled Mastery gain for allies while in Ult is just a nice increase but nothing crazy. These changes would make him fun at least, the basic would hit for up to 6 times in ult but since the damage is mostly low, it ain’t OP, and it would be fun to see how high you could get the first special to hit.

LV should prevent annihilates as part of his kit. It doesn't make him OP but it forces teams to cut through RG.

Oh wow.. LV + Maul. I thought i would be smart when skipping JMK and going for LV.
Sheesh how wrong I was.
They suck, true I dont have ult ability for LV, but honestly they really suck.
JMK is better on every corner.